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Interesting.
Hopefully true. Would be a good signal right now. (I'd much rather they update the Mac mini, but can't have everything.) MacBook Pro: AIUI, Kaby Lake doesn't make a RAM increase any more plausible, so this revision would mostly be about better battery life. MacBook: same. GPU improvements, I guess. Otherwise fairly boring. MacBook Air: uh. That one's weird. I guess we'll have to wait longer for the MB and MBP to move downmarket enough to kill of the Air? |
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Well wouldn't it be interesting if they release an updated MBP. I won't mind since I really did need mine when I got it, but I can't say I was expecting them to change it at all.
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It's an interesting rumor. Considering all models are plentiful in distribution, I don't fully buy it. Apple is already under fire over the latest Pro releases, and this may cause some unwanted scorn and negative publicity.
Apple has done 6-month updates before, so I won't be surprised. Just seems like odd timing, and maybe a bit forced, like they would do this because the media is on their backs or something. It won't do much for sales, either. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Reputation? Maybe. And hey, it would be eight months, not six. Maybe it depends a little on whether they're able to ship a Coffee Lake or Cannonlake (this is getting confusing)-based MBP this year. |
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I've given up trying to sort out which Lake we're sailing on.
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Especially since Intel keeps bunching up the release schedules. I think those two arches are almost coming out on top of each other now. Are they both even "full" lineups? Somewhere along the line I got the impression that one of them was essentially the mobile version of the other, but I'm not sure that's correct. When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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I don't buy the idea that the MacBook Pros are being upgraded already. It's too soon. But the MacBooks are in desperate need of an upgrade.
It's clear now that all anybody wanted was a MacBook Air with a Retina screen. And the 12" is looked at by most people as too small for 'real' work. Which is why the Air continues to sell, even with completely outdated internals. I think the 12" moves to USD$999., and Apple intros a new USD$1299. consumer 13" line with two USB 3.1/TB3 ports (and no Touch Bar.) Air goes away completely. As such, Apple will have two laptop lines (MacBook/MacBook Pro) and two desktop lines (iMac, Mac Pro.) Mac Mini users will continue to be unloved and largely forgotten, but they're accustomed to that by now. |
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Loved Front Row, one of the strangest, come and go things from Apple. I even used hacks to put FR on machines it wasn't 'compatible' with. |
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I did the same. Had it running on an iMac G4 for a while. I thought it was awesome.
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Yeah... It did seem like a bit of a "let's see if this sticks" sort of move... I really wish they'd done it in *addition* to the esc/f-keys, though, because now those models won't have an esc key without special OS support. I suppose that's not such a big deal for Apple, but it makes it that much harder to run other OSs.
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Front Row on the other hand was Apple's answer to Windows Media Center, and it was much nicer, IMO. Of course Windows Media Center isn't around anymore either, so I guess you cannot say that just Apple botched that one. IIRC Front Row died shortly after the Apple TV hit the market, but before that a lot of people, like I still do, used a Mac Mini as a media hub. |
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There was a rumor that Apple was trying to engineer a 12-inch-MacBook-style custom terraced battery structure for the new Pros, but couldn't get it done in time, hence the disappointing battery life. Hopefully it's ready now.
The 12-inch MacBook could also get better battery life, not due to the battery getting smaller, but due to Apple not having to overclock the CPUs. At the standard 4.5v the m3 in the base model runs at 900 MHz, but Apple upvolts it and clocks it at 1.1 GHz. The Kaby Lake m3 is 1.1 GHz at the standard 4.5v, and if Apple makes the Y-series i5 standard (which I think they might*, fingers crossed) it's 1.2 GHz at the base clock. A somewhat faster CPU, better graphics, Thunderbolt 3, a 16GB RAM option, more battery life (maybe up to 12 hours, like the MacBook Air?), and a few other quality-of-life tweaks (maybe *gasp* an HD webcam?) would make for a solid update, even without a shiny new color. Though we could always see that too. *) With Kaby Lake, Intel changed the name of some of their 4.5w ultra-ultra-low-voltage Y-Series processors to i5 and i7 instead of m5 and m7. (Oddly, they're keeping the lower-end models as "m3.") They say they did that due to vendor demand, and I think Apple's the only vendor that would be so influential to them. I'm sure Apple knows the 12-inch MacBook has the reputation of being underpowered, and maybe saying it comes with i5s and i7s will help, even if they're the same ultra-ultra-low-voltage parts. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Why on earth are these modern notebook chipsets still using DDR3 memory? I thought Kaby Lake required DDR4. I guess that's only for desktops.
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Apple's in this weird spot right now where they offer three very different computers, all called MacBook Pro. Of these, the "MacBook Pro without Touch Bar" is the hardest to describe; it's weird to define a product by something it lacks, which is why officially it's the "MacBook Pro (Two ThunderBolt 3 Ports)", but even that is kind of doing the same thing, just in nicer terms. I think coming up with weird euphemisms like that is a symptom of bad branding.
Perhaps to Apple's chagrin, the Touch Bar isn't even that big of a deal (yet); the main reason to get the Pro with Touch Bar is the way faster hardware, so having the nomenclature for the models (official or otherwise) revolve around their Touch-Bar-ness is odd. And by Apple's own admission, the 13-inch Pro-Without-Touch-Bar isn't even really a "pro" machine at all; it's aimed squarely at being a great upgrade for the 13-inch Air, whose 15W ultra-low-voltage processors it shares. The pro-ness of Apple's "pro" hardware has always been a slippery marketing-driven subject, but it doesn't make sense to badge your mainstream everyman notebook — which is what a 13-inch Air replacement is — as "pro." I think it was maybe designed as something else (remember, pre-launch, all those weird rumors about a new 13-inch MacBook, and we couldn't figure out why Apple would sell a 13-inch version of 12-inch baby Mac?) but then, when it came time to decide how to market the new line, they decided that it was the same shape as the Pro, and they knew they were going to take heat for the higher prices and saying "the new MacBook Pro starting at $1499" sounds a hell of a lot better than "starting at $1799," so voila, it's a Pro. But anything, anything is better than the Pro-without-Touch-Bar, Pro-with-Touch-Bar mess we have today. Call it MacBook Plus. Or MacBook Prime, or literally anything else. If it's a different computer for a different market, it should have a different name. Unclear branding just reeks of unclear thinking. And in a weird way, the current name undermines the Touch Bar initiative — it's like, "am I supposed to want one or not? They still make this all-new 'Pro' without it...is it like a weird optional thing?" Whereas, if it was MacBook, MacBook Plus, MacBook Pro, and every Pro had the Touch Bar, it would be like, okay, that's the fancy future thing, that's where the puck is going (Apple says), but if you don't need that and don't need the most powerful guts there's that middle model. Which is more accurate to the actual situation of how things are today. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Apple's done this exact thing before — debut a new MacBook Pro design in October, release an upgrade to fix some common gripes the following June at WWDC — in 2008/2009, with the first unibody Pros. They even made some branding tweaks, turning the 13" unibody MacBook into a MacBook Pro, which inspired my earlier post.
Not only would I not be upset by a quick upgrade cycle, I'd be totally fine if these new laptops had a ~9 month upgrade cycle, too, and I'll be buying one of these new ones. I'd love for Apple to start adopting Intel's new chips closer to when they're first available, which is usually just after CES for the full line these days. (And of all Apple's products, Macs are the least seasonal and arguably the least chained to the fall OS releases, so if you're spacing out events in each quarter, it makes sense for Macs to be the spring event.) Plus, Intel's Coffee Lake means we could finally see six-core 15-inch Pros, and quad-core 13-inch Pros-with-touch-bar, which would be awesome. (The 13-inch Pro-without-touch-bar would likely go Cannonlake and stay dual-core, which further underscores the need for a branding divergence.) Quote:
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Well my son is getting a 13 NTB Macbook Pro. If they are going to update I hope they do it within the return window. I even asked if he wanted to wait until the end of the summer. He said nope and to pull the trigger on it.
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He doesn't have to wait till the end of the summer. He literally just has to wait nine days to see if anything changes.
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MacRumors reports that Apple has made European regulatory filings for five new Mac models, as well as a new keyboard and four new devices running iOS. happeningintensifies.gif
Reading the tea leaves: Five new Mac models is a lot. They're all listed as running macOS 10.12, so that means they're probably coming before Q4, when Macs would start shipping with macOS 10.13 (or macOS 11!). Apple tends to introduce new peripherals alongside iMac updates, and the iMac is well overdue for an update after not seeing any action last year. But if two of those model numbers are for iMacs (21.5-inch and 27-inch), that would only leave three newly registered model numbers for MacBooks, and the MacBook line would need at least four model numbers (unless they're dropping one of the 13-inch models). Maybe we will see a new MacBook Air? Last year felt like a really slow year for new Apple products, but now it seems like everything's coming down the pike at once. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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It's five new Mac minis. One color each. Complementary iPod sock.
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