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We should get some great details and new feature announcements at WWDC in 2 weeks. So far it looks like a solid update.
What would you like to see in it? I'd like an OS X version of iBooks to be included. I'm very excited about the AirPlay mirroring. That is a huge feature. Notifications are also a great addition. I was hoping Mail would get overhauled but it doesn't look like it. |
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Honestly, I'd be thrilled to death if iCloud's push mail would simply work as it did with MobileMe. I miss e-mails, gobs of them, every single day. Unless I wake my iPhone, launch Mail and wait for it to refresh, I will not get mail on my iPhone...to the "@mac.com" account I've had for over a decade. I don't know why something that worked perfectly for years, via the "dreaded" MobileMe, has gone to hell-on-a-wagontrain now with iCloud. Gone are the days where I'd hear that familiar little ding/beep (or feel the phone jingle in my pocket), alerting me to new e-mails whenever they arrived.
Beyond that small, modest request, I'd also love to see iBooks on the Mac. It just makes sense, really. And I can't think of a good reason it shouldn't be on here. I understand why they're on the mobile iOS stuff first and foremost, but some of us are in front of a full-blown Mac for much of our days. If I can read a few pages or chapters (and use iCloud's bookmarking to carry over to when I'm on my iPhone later, in bed or wherever), that would be nice. Surely it's coming? Its omission seems glaring. In general, all the tightening up and consolidation taking place between iOS and its OS X counterparts (including the renaming of certain apps so they're the same on both platforms now) is going to be great. Whichever direction they decided to go (renaming the iOS stuff to what it is on the Mac, or vice versa), it needed to be done. Folks coming to Apple via iOS will have a much easier go of things if/when they finally replace their PCs with a Mac. If many of the things they're using on their iPhones and iPads are found, and named exactly the same, on their new Mac, that can only help in the transition to a new desktop OS. Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long...almost five years to have "Contacts", "Calendar", etc. on one and "Address Book", "iCal", etc. on the other. That couldn't have been taken care of years ago, with Leopard? Snow Leopard? That it wasn't addressed with Lion boggles the mind. People at Apple weren't aware of the discrepancy, all this time? Just little things like this, I'm happy about. It bugs me when things don't match or line up like they should, so all this renaming and unifying across the two operating systems pleases me on an OCD level. EDIT: I've been using the Messages beta since upgrading to Lion a few weeks ago. When it works, it's great. I think there's still some loading/refresh issues, and other little quirks. But it's nice for me, since 95% of the people I text are indeed on iOS devices and so I can just continue doing this whether I'm at my iMac or out and about with my iPhone. It's pretty nice! Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2012-05-21 at 14:53. |
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Totally jazzed about proper Documents in the Cloud support.
Notification Center is going to be great Airplay mirroring. No more wired connections to my HDTV. So glad I got that Apple TV. Messages. In ML it should work as promised. Continued improvement in OpenGL, OpenCL and AVFoundation support. UI polish. I think contextual menus should be cleaned allowing for better management items. Safari - please give us BIG improvements here. I've got a 2011 Air that Safari cannot run most Youtube video in full screen without skipping mondo frames. omgwtfbbq |
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An Apple-ified proper .epub reader would be fantastic. As long as it supports sideloading, anyway, but since iBooks on iOS can do that, it sounds fine. (I love how I can drop .epubs in Dropbox, click on them in Safari, and it is all "want me to open that in iBooks"? Best feature.) "A blind, deaf, comatose, lobotomy patient could feel my anger!" - Darth Baras twitter ; amateur photographer ; fanfiction writer ; roleplayer and worldbuilder |
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Does anyone know the minimal RAM needed for Mountain Lion to function? I am thinking about picking up a MacBook Air, but I want to be able to upgrade to ML. If I get one that only has 2GB of RAM on board and then is outdated in 3-4 months this could be problematic.
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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I'm also looking forward to Notification Center and Reminders. It's one of those simple things that I have always missed on OS X. Not that I could have expressed the need myself, but now that I've seen the sneak peek, I know I was missing it.
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At this point, I wouldn't consider anything that didn't have 4GB. Snow Leopard and Lion seem to push it with 2GB...I can't imagine Mountain Lion being somehow less demanding. What were you getting, specifically, because it's not that much to step up to a 4GB Air. And, also...if new ones come out in the next few weeks, maybe there's a shot that they'll all have 4GB stock?
I think it's a bite that stuff like the Air (and the previous design Mac mini) come with lower-than-ideal RAM because those are the machines hardest (or impossible) to get into. The original mini was, and the RAM is soldered on in the Air. I think it's cheesy for Apple, with Mountain Lion looming, to sell a non-upgradeable machine like the Air with 2GB. You know it doesn't cost them anything to drop in 4GB across the board. |
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I had a new mini with 2gb upgraded to 8gb would not recommend less than 4gb for Lion, don't expect Mountain Lion to be any different.
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I would almost say that 8GB is minimum for anything other than web browsing on a modern OS.
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I guess it depends on your usage. Your system must be paging to the HDD a lot with only 4GBs. On average I have 6GB of 12GB of RAM free at any given time. For example that is true right now, and I'm only running Chrome (15 tabs), Mail, Twitter and TextEdit.
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Why would you want free RAM? Or as Linux users might refer to it, Wasted RAM.
Not 100% about OSX's memory management, but in Linux, any "Free" RAM is normally eventually allocated to buffers to speed things up. So you would normally see a a very low free RAM reading, but as soon as you need that RAM, the buffers are reduced. I think If you are using Activity Monitor, then you'll want to add together "Free" and "Inactive" for a Windows Like free RAM reading. OK, I have given up keeping this sig up to date. Lets just say I'm the guy that installs every latest version as soon as its available! |
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Why would I want free memory? So that when I run other apps like Aperture/iMovie (which can use 6-10GBs alone) I don't have to close other apps. In Mac OSX when you use all the RAM (whether it is classified as inactive, wired or used) it starts paging out from the HDD, slowing your machine down. Mac OSX in recent years has been terrible at RAM allocation, and it does not seem to want to clear the buffer, even if you close an app to give more to a memory hungry one that is running.
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I'm pretty sure that if you have sufficient free and/or inactive ram to complete a task, no paging occurs. My understanding is that if, say, you close Safari, which had been using 1GB of ram, and no other process needs that space, Safari remains in memory as "inactive," but will be immediately overwritten just as free memory would be, if another process needs it.
That said, you could still reasonably want more memory if you're doing tasks that use 6-10GB of ram. But if you're like me and often have 3GB (of 8) or so free+inactive, you probably have enough. |
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It's the same model the iPad is following. 32GB is necessary--and likely sufficient--for most people. I think a lot more people pay $599 for 32GB than would pay $599 for 64GB, if a cheaper 32GB option were available. This is off topic, but for that reason, I wouldn't be surprised to see next year's iPad be 16/64/128 at the same price points. |
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-Integrated iCloud; sign in with account, your stuff appears
-Documents in the Cloud, with support for the iWork apps and Preview and TextEdit -Developer SDK for DitC -Messages app: Reply to messages on your phone from your Mac -New notes and reminders apps -Notification center. Basically it's Growl but looks like iOS. Wonder how that will affect Growl-using apps? -New dictation ability. Maybe the reason the new retina MBP has two mics? Wonder how it'll work with older one-crappy-mic Macs. -Sharing right from the app you're working in -UNIFIED ADDRESS/SEARCH FIELD FOR SAFARI thank god -Tab sync between iOS and OS X Safaris -Power Nap: computer continues to do minor tasks even while asleep. Backs up while sleeping, checks mail, tracks calendar. Airs and retina MBP only. -AirPlay mirroring from Mac to AppleTV -GameCenter coming from iOS to Mac Things not covered in announce but viewable in the pic of other features: Do not track in safari, form input in preview, share from within Mac App Store, Rename from title bar, Location based reminders, Launchpad search, Easier AirPrint Setup No iBooks for iOS announced (yet) $19.99, update from either 10.6 or 10.7 Next month "A blind, deaf, comatose, lobotomy patient could feel my anger!" - Darth Baras twitter ; amateur photographer ; fanfiction writer ; roleplayer and worldbuilder Last edited by Capella : 2012-06-11 at 13:12. |
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That said, I'd like more info on exactly what dictation entails for OS X. Will I be trashing away my copy of Dragon Dictate? When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray. |
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I would guess that many tens of hundreds of hours of getting Sirri queries nailed down has given apple access to a unique library of turning speech into usable text.
I've always been disappointed in dictation software, it will be interesting to see if Apple is able to do better, or if this will be like their handwriting recognition on the Newton. Google is your frenemy. Caveat Emptor - Latin for tough titty I tend to interpret things in the way that's most hilarious to me |
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Join Date: May 2004
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It's gone Golden Master.
Since, like Lion, there are no discs to burn, transport and stock, this thing could go live and be available for download very soon, right? Days, even? What's the typical timeframe involved here, especially considering how it's going to be sold and delivered? What's the earliest you think it could be made available? I like Gruber's comment. It's true! Pretty cool...from (surprise) public announcement to on the street in less than half-a-year. |
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With Lion the first public release was the same build as the GM, so it could easily be as little as a week.
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That's cool to know. I'd love to get Mountain Lion on this iMac before I leave town next Tuesday. Maybe they'll have it out by this Friday and I can dork around with it all weekend.
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Wait for a 10.8.1 release?
I did that with Lion, coming into it very late (as in "a couple of months ago"). Other than that, I've always been a first-day (or first-week, at the very least) OS X adopter with no real issues or regrets in all these years and releases. Oddly enough, it has indeed been Lion that's given me the most grief or aggravation of all. Nothing major, but just enough little quirks and changes that it feels like I've had to adjust and adapt a bit more than I have in a decade, OS-wise. You've got a point. Now that I'm doing this illustration contract work from home (and it's really starting to pick up and take flight), I may need to be a little more cautious and conservative with this kind of stuff. I can't go around lobbing hand grenades into my daily flow. At the very least, I should probably wait and see how Illustrator CS6, in particular, plays with Mountain Lion. I can't afford a bunch of craziness, gremlin-chasing and lost production on that front. Not now. |
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To that point, are there any developers or other in-the-know folks here who have some sort of info on this (Illustrator CS6 on Mountain Lion)?
Feel free to PM me...I wouldn't want you publicly spilling your beans or breaking any NDA type of stuff. Your secret is safe with me...I'm simply curious for my own sake/info. That's really the only third-party application I have that I truly need and rely on. |
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Read somewhere today that last year Lion was released after the quarterly earnings report, which makes sense. Apple has that scheduled for 7/24 so my guess is there's your "ship" date.
Seems to make sense that there will be a few more days (1 week maybe) of final testing with the devs before the GM is pushed to everyone. Only today did Apple start to ask devs to submit Mountain Lion apps. |
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Uhh... The GM was pushed today, and it's 2 weeks until July 24. Or am I misreading you?
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No, you're reading right. Gives Apple time to make sure the GM is really the GM, the devs the final push to make sure they're apps are GM-ready, and gives them the earnings call to announce. Plus, it meets Apple's self-imposed deadline of "July." They tend to wait to the last minute every time.
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