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My friend just put together a new Intel system and installed Tiger on it. I made him run Xbench and compared it to mine, here are the results:
My Friend Intel Computer CPU Speed: Pentium 4 3Ghz 32bit L2 Cache: 2MB Bus Speed: 800Mhz 1GB RAM Score: 47.63 Me Digital Audio PowerMac Dual G4 1.6ghz (GigaDesigns) 64 bit L2 Cache: 512KB Bus Speed: 133Mhz 1.25GB RAM Score: 44.86 I was expecting a larger difference, like a score that would compare to G5s instead there was only a 3 point difference. portable: MacBook 2.4Ghz, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD | personal: PowerMac G5 dual 2.3ghz, 6GB RAM, 6TB HD | work: MacBook Pro 2.5ghz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD | car: Alpine iDA-W407 with black iPod 80GB | pocket: iPhone 3GS with Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5 Pro's |
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Is Xbench a universal binary?
If not, then those scores for the Intel box are actually skewed too low. edit: never mind... I see it is. Quote:
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High Monarch of MacDebate
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kickaha i dont know, i just know its pirated.
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thatz bcuz teh g4 is 64BIT u loozers
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I don't see this as entirely suprising. I didn't think the intel move was anything to do with performance as opposed to a response to issues from Apple's existing chipset suppliers, with the possibility that coming to the x86 world using Intel is more likely to propell Apple firmly into the mainstream. It seems quite feasible, to me, that Apple is sacrificing a performance edge in favour of becoming easily comparable to other brands, at least for your average consumer (who doesn't comprehend a difference in processor architecture and thinks purely of the hertz).
On the other hand, these pirated copies of OS X, are they running smoothly? Are the hacks required in getting them onto non Apple systems causing the performance issues? Of course I might be talking absolute balls |
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It might have something to do with why I just bought (upgraded) to a new mac while I still had the chance ;-D
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High Monarch of MacDebate
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wait so my mac isn't 64bit? My friend told me it was and thats why its nearly as fast as his.
update: so i checked apple-history.com and it says this under my mac spces: CPU: PowerPC 7450 CPU Speed: 466/533/667/733 FPU: integrated Bus Speed: 133 MHz Data Path: 64 bit The data path is 64bit, doesnt that mean my mac is 64bit? portable: MacBook 2.4Ghz, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD | personal: PowerMac G5 dual 2.3ghz, 6GB RAM, 6TB HD | work: MacBook Pro 2.5ghz, 2GB RAM, 160GB HD | car: Alpine iDA-W407 with black iPod 80GB | pocket: iPhone 3GS with Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5 Pro's Last edited by usurp : 2005-09-24 at 01:31. |
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No. The G5 is the only 64-bit processor that Apple uses. G4s, G3s, 60Xs, and older are 32-bit processors.
That "64-bit data path" is not what you think it is. That defines the number of bits that can be transferred between separate components of the computer, like from the processor to main memory. A "64-bit processor" in very basic terms is one that treats memory and calculations as 64-bit-long values instead of 32-bit-long values. That means it can calculate much larger numbers without breaking them into smaller chunks and it means it can address a whole lot more memory. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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High Monarch of MacDebate
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ok, then that makes the score between the mac and intel a lot more interesting if both of us are 32bit.
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Hmm, I thought both those scores were pathetic until I visited the xbench site and realised that they'd been recalibrated to a (presumably dual) G5 2Ghz.
Still, both of them did a lot worse than one would expect I suppose xbench is supposed to test the entire subsystem, which probably didn't help either box. |
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yeah true, i will try to find my friends xbench result online and post it here. supposingly he scored only a 17 in the CPU test but faired better in the RAM and HD department then me.
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For things like military-grade cryptography, or perhaps environmental modeling of weather on planetary scales, or cosmological and astronomical simulations of the entire galaxy, 64 bits would help.
For most 'regular human' tasks, it isn't as significant as it sounds, or as necessary (yet). The number of tasks that require 64-bit computing is still relatively small, or have up until now been kludged with lesser power applied more inventively. Even protein modeling (Folding@Home) can be handled by distributed clustering of millions of humble 32-bit 'joe average' home computers. Not to say somebody might not write a 64 bit version to test more complex structures... The only real 'speed' benefit is that 64 bit systems can do extremely large numbers in one chunk... 32-bit systems may require two computations to simulate the same values... Last edited by curiousuburb : 2005-09-26 at 15:27. Reason: grammar and punctuation |
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