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I've waited this long, just built a $800 quad-core PC, and Nehalem is 9 months away. No price drop on the Mac Pros = no sale.
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A 320 GB HDD is $65. A decent PSU is $120. An 20x DVD-RW is $25. http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=532022 All of those components are cream of the crop. I could build a near equivalent PC for $200 less that would be nearly as good for stock configurations, but I make a hobby out of overclocking. |
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OK, it's not a bad system but it's still comparing Apples to Oranges (pun not intended).
I think the prices of the Mac Pros are very reasonable for a top quality system at the high end of the spec. At the end of the day I would be happy to put a Mac Pro in a server cupboard and let it run for years on end - I would not trust your components to run constantly for over 12 months. I may have just been unlucky, but I have had my fair share of problems with abit motherboards! OK, I have given up keeping this sig up to date. Lets just say I'm the guy that installs every latest version as soon as its available! |
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Eugene, are you saying you made your own Mac? Does this thing run OS X, or did I miss something and it's another type of machine?
If it's a Mac, that's pretty cool for $850. Would be neat if Apple sold stylish empty shell aluminum towers or cubes (a few different sizes/bay/port arrangements), and a listing of approved suppliers... Would never happen, of course, but it would be need to easily build your own custom Mac, with just the components you want or need (save money on this part, splurge on that, etc.), and know that it's sanctioned and going to all work well. |
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I'm going to install the "Kalway" hacked version of 10.5.1 sometime later. I'm still running Prime95 on this machine (>30 hours now) to test if the OC is stable.
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That is besides the point though. My comment was directed at the fact that you basically bitched about the price and then compared it to a completely different system! Quote:
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OK, I'm not quite sure what FUD is supposed to mean or how it relates to what I would be happy running. As an IT consultant people pay good money for my experience and advice but you can have it for free and call it FUD if you want - I don't want this to become any kind of personal slagging match ! Like I said before - my gripe was with your comparison. In my eyes your system does not equal a Mac Pro. An interesting question for this population would be how many other enthusiasts that have build their own systems (like you and I) think that your system (and it's price) are an accurate and equal comparison to a Mac Pro? OK, I have given up keeping this sig up to date. Lets just say I'm the guy that installs every latest version as soon as its available! |
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In January of last year I predicted the gap between the iMac and Mac Pro would only widen come 2008. http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=428756 http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?p=429128 s/Tigerton/Harpertown/ Quote:
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Basically, if your a Mac user you have limited (legal) options. You ether play your games on a slightly underpowered iMac (depending on the games you play), you maintain two machines, or you fork out a bit more on a single machine that does both. The first option sucks if you want to play modern games and I got fed up with my desktop clutter with the second option - so for me the Mac Pro is just about hitting the sweet spot. I can do my day-to-day work/email/itunes etc, and then boot camp into Windows and have a decent gaming experience (without breaking any EULA's). Quote:
And your operating system does not keep running in the background? (how strange) And you don't use 3rd party comms software while your playing? Now who's the one spreading the FUD? OK, I have given up keeping this sig up to date. Lets just say I'm the guy that installs every latest version as soon as its available! |
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And back to the statement about there being no room for the xMac because it's only enthusiasts. Bullshit. It's less of a niche product than the Mac Pro is. The vast majority of desktop Mac users could get by with an iMac. Last edited by Eugene : 2008-01-12 at 08:21. |
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OK, Eugene - whatever. I think this has already got way off topic and I suspect that we could continue until Brad gets fed-up with our bickering and slaps us with an amusing picture and a padlock
So, without any further delays, this topic will be resuming normal operations. The new xserves seem to lineup at around the same level as Dell PowerEdge 1950's. I am currently working on a clustered database solution using some pretty deep linux tools which don't seem to have any similar competition from ether Windows or OS X. Does anyone manage small clusters, say 4 to 6 nodes, using OS X? OK, I have given up keeping this sig up to date. Lets just say I'm the guy that installs every latest version as soon as its available! |
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Overclocked‽ The only "standards" overclocked computers "live up to" are the pimples of a 16-year old. Who the frack is ever going to use an overclocked computer in a production environment? And when you find someone, can I beat him up with a clue stick?
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Meanwhile Intel's fabs are pumping out nearly identical chips and binning them as lower clocked models just for product differentiation. Last edited by Eugene : 2008-01-12 at 12:53. |
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@throw NSParseFailureException(@"Failed to parse sentence. Please rephrase."); Chip manufacturers use various tricks to maximize yield. For example, if a dual-core CPU has a core that failed tests, it'll be rebadged and sold (cheaper) as single-core. The failed core will be shipped, but disabled; the other core will work fine, and the customer will never know. Likewise (and I think that's what you were asking), if a CPU fails tests at a certain frequency but passes them at a lower one, it'll be rebadged as well, and sold (cheaper) at that lower frequency. |
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Okay chucker, so you're saying a system builder like Apple who takes a 1 GHz rated part like the XPC7455 RX1000SC and then runs it +25% out of Motorola's spec...that's not overclocking?
What Apple did in 2003 is no different that what Alienware/Dell and graphics card makers do. There's even a term for it: factory overclocking! |
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It's also why the lowest of the low-end chips like the 1.86 GHz Core 2 Duo E6320 easily hit 3.0 GHz with no adjustments other than upping the FSB. |
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Just to get this straight.
If Apple, a customer of Motorola, buys a CPU and then CLOCKS it at 25% OVER its stamped operating frequency, it's not overclocking? You have very unique definition of overclocking. Dell knows exactly what it's doing by running Intel chips outside of their stamped clock frequencies. |
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When they sell you a laptop and its hard drive dies, that's their responsibility, even though they don't manufacture that hard drive. They have picked the drive; therefore, you as a customer couldn't care less who actually made it. By picking it, they implicitly approved of it. When they sell you a machine and say its CPU is clocked at X, you as a customer couldn't care less that the CPU manufacturer said it's only recommended to be clocked at Y. When it doesn't run properly at X, that's Dell's and Apple's problem, not Intel's and Motorola's. Therefore, it is not overclocking, because it doesn't go over anything. That CPU manufacturer recommendation just plain frigging does not exist for you as a customer. That is why people buy complete systems from companies like Apple and Dell to begin with: so that they don't have to deal with CPU manufacturers directly. |
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It's not necessarily about failing tests at higher frequencies. Cheaper parts sell in higher quantities. As the chipmaking process matures, fewer defective or lesser quality chips are produced. If demand for the lower priced chips outstrips supply and a manufacturer also has an excess of higher rated chips, they will mark those high-quality chips as low-end parts to make the sale rather than sit on excess inventory. |
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It doesn't matter if Dell makes a promise. Dell has gone outside normal parameters and changed settings to allow a CPU to run out of spec. That same CPU when dropped into a reference motherboard will be automatically configured at a different clockrate! |
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What kind of person buys from Dell, then replaces the motherboard? If you're gonna modify such guts, you might as well skip buying from Dell to begin with. |
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