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Well, no live event this year, but Apple still has products in the pipeline, so the show must go on.
This year: 1) iOS 10.14 2) WatchOS 7 3) tvOS 14 5) iPadOS 14 6) MacOS 10.16 Santa SomethingSomething I think this will be the year that Apple announces ARM Macs are coming (they pre-announced Intel systems with a 6-month to 1-year lead time). They need time to get developers working on this stuff, so if systems are going to ship later this year or first half of 2021 then the OS must be announced now! Or do they just announce the crazy things in secret with, "Oh, hey, everything works just fine. We've developed a top secret emulator that runs all of your x86 code with no worries!" Seems to me that is a bad idea because developers will have no reason to write native software. Hmmm … I think it has to be announced in advance. Apple also has to have time to cut orders with Intel. No reason to order 5 million chips if you only need … 1/3 of them? Any-hoo, chat away! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Jason Snell speculated on Upgrade that part of the reason for this March iPad Pro upgrade is really to have a developer kit ready. Buy the Magic Keyboard for it, get a special version of macOS to install, and you basically have a 12.9-inch laptop that runs macOS on ARM.
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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I'm curious how they will present Intel to ARM. When they did it with the Mac mini and PowerPC to Intel it was only the one computer that was switched first. In today's world I'm guessing the iPad Pro is more powerful than that mini was in general computer terms.
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when they did it with Intel, they first gave developers a special version of the Power Mac G5 that had a Pentium 4 inside. The first real Intel Macs, in January 2006, were the iMac and MacBook Pro (replacing the PowerBook G4), both of which had just been speedbumped in October 2005. The Mac mini came a month later in February. |
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Guess I didn't get today's double Jeopardy.
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Let's just hope Mac OS 10.16 isn't as much of a nightmare as 10.15. Still refuse to install it on my machines.
From a user perspective there is unlikely to be meaningful impact on daily apps, moving to ARM. Moving from PPC to x86 was seamless for the most part, other than some legacy apps. I doubt we'll see major rewrites of Adobe apps, and other big ticket apps for a while though. To me the biggest question is, will Apple in moving to ARM also using the same GPU package as they do on iPad, or try to use something else? I doubt they'd be able to use AMD Radeon or NVIDIA chips, since they would need special custom firmware to work with it. |
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And they've been working on getting some of their stuff running on ARM. EFI can work with ARM, if Apple wants to keep using that. |
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I'm seeing rumours of USB4 showing up in 2022, and I can't understand why a standard that was finalized in 2019 would take so long to show up. Usually, it's 8-9 months, isn't it? I understand we may have delays because of current world events, but 2.5 years?
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It'll also be, for whatever it's worth one of the first chips with PCIe 4.0, even though the final spec of that was done in mid-2017. So such a delay isn't so unusual. |
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And I don't follow this side of things closely, but I read somewhere that PCIe 5.0 was going to leapfrog 4.0. |
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None of those are Tiger Lake. Depending on when Tiger Lake-Y actually ships, in volume though, we might see another MacBook Air in Q4. As for most other Macs: it's the generation after Comet Lake (which hasn't even come to the Mac yet), Rocket Lake, that will add USB4, and again, we might see that in Q4, but maybe not until H1 2021. Quote:
(The good news, if any, is that Alder Lake is then slated to finally unify the 10nm and 14nm weirdness across the line-up.) (Yes, I'm ignoring ARM here. Also the vague possibility of AMD.) |
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PCIe 4/5 are coming, true enough. PCIe 4.0 is already here, and has been on shipping consumer AMD platforms and GPUs since last summer, but other than some high end SSDs, it's not even close to be being useful. Right now, if you aren't working on huge files, like uncompressed RAW 8K video for example, you'll never notice the difference. PCIe 5.0 likely won't be seen outside of data centers, and not for another 3-4 years, due to costs, and the size of the data pathways. It won't be practical or affordable on consumer products in the next 5-8 years, that much is for sure. The ratification of the PCIe 5.0 standard does not mean that it is ready for shipment, just the standard is there, so manufactures can begin testing and development projects. |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Since Paul went and derailed everything, I've snipped off the iPhone SE stuff and tossed it into its own thread. Now, if that thing get's launched at WWDC, Imma gonna laugh!
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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AirTags are apparently the next big thing.
I know a bunch of people who would buy them. One thing I REALLY hope to see in the keynote is more home automation but with security in mind. I don't mind using my alarm system to manage my automation, but it doesn't have to be connected. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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