[stevegong]

Surprised no one posted this yet

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/


It's great, It's quite a bit faster than Safari, I like it.

Tell me what you guys think.

[bborofka]

Originally Posted by stevegong Surprised no one posted this yet http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/ It's great, It's quite a bit faster than Safari, I like it. Tell me what you guys think.

And a lot more Mac-like than Firefox. I haven't played with Camino since some nightlies from a few months ago, and I really like how they gave it a makeover.

Perhaps I'll use this as my secondary browser now (behind Safari).

[InactionMan]

Camino is my default porn browser.

[stevegong]

Originally Posted by InactionMan Camino is my default porn browser.

oh really? how come?

is it because it resizes the huge pics to the window size so you can see the entire image at once?

[InactionMan]

Camino resizes images so I don't have to scroll!?! Neat-O!

I use it because it's faster when bouncing between an index of thumbnails of naked girls and the actual pics of naked girls. And only by a fraction of a second. But when it comes to porn, every second counts!

[torifile]

I can't ad block? That sucks because I was really liking it. But text entry is STILL messed up?!?

My hopes for an ideal browser are getting dim. All of them have something to offer, but none of them offer the complete package.

[alcimedes]

i love camino. hosts file takes care of pop-ups and ad blocking as far as i'm concerend.

[Luca]

alcimedes, care to maybe post some directions for how to edit your hosts file to block ads? I haven't found a very reliable source that is specific to 10.3. I did find a "hosts file toolkit" on Macupdate, but it was meant for 10.1 and many of the commands didn't work when I tried them.

I'm sure many people would appreciate it. I really want to do this so I don't immediately ignore browsers other than Safari, Firefox, Mozilla and OmniWeb (the only ones that block images as far as I know).

[Moogs]

Also faster than Safari on my G5 with broadband. They've really fixed up the bookmark management stuff since the release of .7 (which was admittedly a long time ago). And, I believe .8 actually uses the rendering engine and other core features of Mozilla 1.7, which is about to be released also. Nice. Competition is always a good thing; it will make Safari better for certain.

Everyone just make sure to browser Apple's sites with Mozilla or Camino or Firefox... that'll jag Steve's wire.

[stevegong]

•you can't ad block? what's that supposed to mean?

•text entry problem? what do you mean?

Actually my only complaint with camino is that it seems to take up processing power even when it's not doing anything. The other complaint is that I can't just hit tab to get from the address field to the google field.


Other than that I think it toasts safari's ass.

[Luca]

Originally Posted by stevegong ¥you can't ad block? what's that supposed to mean? ¥text entry problem? what do you mean?

Ad blocking is preventing banner ads from loading. While many banner ads, such as those text ones, are not that intrusive, many are (remember those awful flashing ones at .com?). I simply cannot use a browser if it can't block those stupid banner ads. Safari has the functionality if you install PithHelmet, OmniWeb and Mozilla have the feature built in, and Firefox has the Adblock extension. All other browsers require you to modify your system's hosts file so it prevents content from various servers (for example, ad.doubleclick.com) from loading. I don't know exactly how to edit the hosts file in OS X.

The well-known text entry problem in Camino has been there since the early beta versions. As long as I can remember. It uses non-standard text input fields. This means you get low responsiveness and none of the nice features that the OS X standard text entry fields have, like spell checking as you type. I also find this very useful and I think it's dumb that a Mac OS X-only browser like Camino doesn't use OS X's built in text entry fields.

These things keep me using Safari. I've used Firefox a bit as well, but it's too Windows-like really... Safari is perfect for me, and I've come to rely on many of its features. It's too bad the other browsers don't have these features.

[torifile]

Luca

I've uploaded my hosts file to my server. http://psyresearch.com/uploads/hosts.blocked.txt

You can just save that file as your hosts file if you haven't changed anything (my file is a plain vanilla hosts file with the blocked servers added in). Save it as "/etc/hosts" and you'll need to either reboot your machine (the easiest way to effect the changes) or figure out how to reload you netinfo database.

What this does is that tells the computer to look for the servers listed in the file at the IP address listed (0.0.0.0) and does nothing from there because there is no server at 0.0.0.0.

[stevegong]

Originally Posted by torifile Luca I've uploaded my hosts file to my server. http://psyresearch.com/uploads/hosts.blocked.txt You can just save that file as your hosts file if you haven't changed anything (my file is a plain vanilla hosts file with the blocked servers added in). Save it as "/etc/hosts" and you'll need to either reboot your machine (the easiest way to effect the changes) or figure out how to reload you netinfo database. What this does is that tells the computer to look for the servers listed in the file at the IP address listed (0.0.0.0) and does nothing from there because there is no server at 0.0.0.0.

Do you think you can give a bit more in depth directions as to what to do? I'm not sure how to do this, replace the /etc/hosts file with the one you provided?

[torifile]

Originally Posted by stevegong Do you think you can give a bit more in depth directions as to what to do? I'm not sure how to do this, replace the /etc/hosts file with the one you provided?

Sure. Copy all the text below this line:

::1 localhost

Open up the terminal and type "sudo pico /etc/hosts". You'll be prompted for your password. Enter it. Then move your cursor below the last line in the file that's opened and cmd+v. ctrl+x and press "y" to confirm the changes. That's it.

HTH.

ps - This should be a safe procedure, but as with anything that requires modification of your system files, proceed with caution.

edit: or if you want you can download the file (ctrl+click on the link and save it someplace). Change the name to just "hosts" and move it to /etc by going into the finder and pressing shift+cmd+g and typing /etc in the window that comes up. When you try to move it there, you'll be prompted to authenticate. Enter your password and that's it.

[Defiant]

Thanks for that torifile! And to add one small thing, after you pressed the last 'y' bit, you have to press enter to confirm.

[torifile]

Originally Posted by Defiant Thanks for that torifile! And to add one small thing, after you pressed the last 'y' bit, you have to press enter to confirm.

No problem. I hope it works for you.

-t

ps - yeah, I forgot the enter after the "y" but you figured it out. You're a smart cookie

[alcimedes]

ok, just because i was bored i decided to make a movie of it.

basically, you open your terminal, and go to your /etc directory.

su and enter your password.

pico your hosts file.

enter in 0.0.0.0 for the server you want blocked, followed by the server's address.

ctrl-x to exit, and Y to save changes.

when you're done, type lookupd -flushcache at the terminal to immediately apply the changes you've made to your hosts file. (thanks for that tip brad!)

the end. takes about 40 seconds per address you want blocked.

Movie here

[mrmister]

Actually, Luca, Camino can block ads the same way Mozilla can, by simply modifying the userContent.css file. A very popular one for blocking is here:

http://www.gozer.org/mozilla/ad_bloc...serContent.css

You can also use host blocking, for extra goodness and protection--hosts is better, because it keeps the system from downloading it at all, but I find a custom userContent.css can do wonders for making banner-less pages render well.

All the Camino developers know how "dumb" it is that it doesn't use OSX text input fields. I don't have the energy to explain why this is so, but tearing out the underpinnings that would be required to fix this is prohibitive--there's talk of doing it for .9 or 1.0 final.

[jimdad]

New version doesn't help me. My school website ( www.perthhigh.co.uk) used to work fine on 0.7 and is now displayed as badly as on Safari. I know this is because of short cuts taken when our pupils were building the site but it displays perfectly on PCs and on IE for the Mac ( although it's been ages since I checked that. ) There now doesn't seem to be a Mac browser that will display it properly.

Also, is it just me or are the buttons a bit windows - like in their lack of sophistication/taste ?

Still it's pretty quick and i like some of the features.

[SledgeHammer]

Originally Posted by jimdad New version doesn't help me. My school website ( www.perthhigh.co.uk) used to work fine on 0.7 and is now displayed as badly as on Safari. I know this is because of short cuts taken when our pupils were building the site but it displays perfectly on PCs and on IE for the Mac ( although it's been ages since I checked that. ) There now doesn't seem to be a Mac browser that will display it properly.

That's an almost sure sign of bad (read: non-standards-compliant) coding of the site.

[jimdad]

Agreed, Sledge, but my point is that it works on PCs and worked on Camino until the latest version, so there is no reason why it can't work on Macs. Or is there? Anyone technically minded care to explain? Is it a question of the Mac browsers being too picky about what they will accept ? What would we lose if they were adapted to allow "sloppy" coding ?

[torifile]

Originally Posted by alcimedes the end. takes about 40 seconds per address you want blocked. Movie here

Or about 5 seconds to copy and paste from my hosts to your hosts.

[Barto]

Originally Posted by jimdad Agreed, Sledge, but my point is that it works on PCs and worked on Camino until the latest version, so there is no reason why it can't work on Macs. Or is there? Anyone technically minded care to explain? Is it a question of the Mac browsers being too picky about what they will accept ? What would we lose if they were adapted to allow "sloppy" coding ?

Safari already works with old Netscape and IE mutilations of HTML. Code that is simply incorrect will look different browser to browser because each browser has a different way of figuring out what the coder was intending to write.

Barto