Which way is up?
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The expensive is in the appeals process, which can drag on for many years.
As Chucker stated, proper application of the law is essential. Added to absolute proof and the state can do away with the worst, most heinous criminals for a few dollars. But, there is a lot of money to be made in harboring violent offenders in expensive prisons. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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In short, it is as horrible as we all though it would be. So damning for the LEOs on scene. Kids really could have been saved if the cops just did their job. The video is long because he walks through almost step by step and it was an hour and ten minutes from the start of the school to the final assault. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. Last edited by turtle : 2022-07-14 at 12:05. |
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Seeing this video was so frustrating to me.
Texas officials fought so hard to keep this from being released under the bullshit of it being used by other people to plan other attacks. These officers did nothing that anyone could use. I'm torn on the audio part though. As awful as it would be, this video should be released with the sound left in. People need to hear what this monster did and the repercussions. It baffles me how kids are murdered and people still dont' want to enable tougher gun laws. I did see a press conference yesterday in which the parents were more mad at the people that released this video than they were with the lack of police action. I understand they're grieving, but having this video out there is for the benefit of everyone. No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Oh, the one with audio is out there. Most don't need to hear the audio though. Heck, I'm fairly hardened and *I* don't want to hear the audio from that video. My imagination is good enough for me. For that reason I'm grateful the guy walking through the video doesn't include the audio from it.
Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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¡Damned!
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The Statesman, even after deciding to publish the video, still took the precaution of removing the sounds of children screaming. "We consider this too graphic."
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Look, I'm gonna recommend you all not try to find it with audio. You can't un-hear it once you've heard it. There is no personal gain from hearing their legitimate screams and agony.
Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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This guy is right on the money, in his evaluation, given the current situation in the US. It's just sad that this keeps happening, over and over again.
I can point to a similar situation that happened here in BC at the end of June. Difference? Thankfully no children. In a small BC community two mid-20's males armed entered a bank to rob it, which they learned later was mostly done with the purpose of killing police officers. Thankfully only 6 officers were wounded before the tools were killed by officers. https://globalnews.ca/news/8953593/s...g-bank-police/ |
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Mike Glover came back yesterday after speaking with a "a federal supervisor with intimate knowledge of the situation". It is really even more damning to chief and his force.
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Selfish Heathen
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Y'all remember polio? The crippling disease that has been eliminated from most of the world thanks to vaccination campaings?
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Get vaccinated and vaccinate your kids, ffs. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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I read about that yesterday and meant to share it here. I actually know a couple that both were crippled by polio as children. Both in wheelchairs to this day.
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Speaking of outbreaks…
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Formerly known as cynical_rock censeo tentatio victum There is no snooze button on a cat. |
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I say go for it, but only if they can build a similar garden right next to China’s important political centres. Given the recent tech news about low level UEFI hacks, it’s unlikely any of our data is safe anyway.
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Lord of the Rant.
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I can't imagine how that could go poorly for us. The "diplomatic" security though... kinda telling don't you think?
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Which way is up?
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** Arachnophobia News **
Utah man accused of causing wildfire by burning a spider Man, this guy really hates him the spiders! I mean, I hate the little suckers, but I'm not sure I feel the need to burn the planet to the ground to get rid of them. I usually employee the tried and true "Stomp-Stomp-Stomp" method. It's always worked pretty well against all but the big, ugly ones, but we ain't got us none o' them in the Idaho. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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A monkeypox overview: where it came from and how it spreads.
not from monkeys dangerous implications if fanatical groups get hold certain information that I won't even mention |
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Which way is up?
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Speaking of Canada, if at first you don't succeed …
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I mean, who knew Hitler was so "progressive"? - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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That's a crazy distortion.
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"Hey, don't kill yourself, but if you're really sure about it … here's a pill." It's party-politics. When your side is doing the destroying, they're the good guys. When the other side is doing it, they're the bad guys. "We're justified because reasons! The other side is not justified because also reasons!" You can also see the same fanaticism in sports: "My quarterback can rape and pillage, but he's on my team so I'll look the other way. But if your quarterback rapes and pillages, I'm going to stomp my feat because he's on your team — and your team sucks!" - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Assisted death in Canada isn’t being given out like candy at a candy store. Millions of seniors are not being snuffed out. First, the person in question has to either request it themselves, or have such requests in their will. The person must have a terminal illness or be otherwise in very poor health with no chance of improving for goodness sake! What that article was taking about, was not my understanding of how it worked. Should read more on it.
Not my cup of tea, and I wouldn’t push for it myself, but to deny that to people in extreme pain and suffering due to medical conditions, sounds cruel as well. |
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And it's steadily increasing every year. About 10k in 2021 alone, more than 3% of all Canadian deaths in 2021. And that is before Canada really gets pounded by the coming economic storm. |
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Question is, of those 31k, how many were terminally I’ll patients who would have died anyway? I’ve not found a source (real data from a apolitical source) that gives numbers of that type, likely due to privacy laws. |
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It's not a trivial thing, but I don't believe assisted dying is driven by economic considerations, though I think there is a significant ideological divide there, and one, I will say, personally, which has me deeply conflicted. To reduce it to a partisan line about Trudeau is wrong, not for any affection for the current PM, it is wrong because this line of thinking obliterates what little capacity modern politics has for such a question at all.
Outside of politics, a problem with governments is that they are often too blunt an instrument to apply to a delicate topic. The best they can do is codify some generally held societal ideals, and their tools for understanding those and rationalizing decisions are limited. Immediately, my public policy mind wants more information, a demographic breakdown of age, wealth, marital status, family size, dependents, education, occupations, geography, length and type of illness just to start. This would help understand what's happening in those 3% of all deaths, but this alone still can't fully resolve the question... Medically and ethically, I think that if there is to be a choice it already exists on a continuum of decisions about (both) how we treat people and how we respect their wishes. We already apply medical criteria to who gets any number of treatments, transplants, etc... Those in the unenviable position of deciding may from time to time apply their own emotional and psychological rationale in any given case. Theirs is to work in a grey area that no amount procedure can make fully black and white. Maybe the best we can do is clear a space for such decisions to be made as a matter of conscience and devise some protections against bad faith motives, because I think as long as people must face dying, they will differ in how they choose to face it. ......................................... |
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You chose to lead with Trudeau in your prior post. I don't believe that problems with assisted dying legislation would be resolved simply by changing governments.
Cases like the one you describe are disturbing, which is why the conversation has to be a sober one. ......................................... |
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That is my one fear in the system, hospital admins using it to offload cash problems. That and have steps in place to prevent family members from making the choice (without legal documents saying they can).
I feel rather mixed about it, I understand why some people want it, and I understand the opposition as well. Both have good reasons. |
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And whatever the reasons the advocates were calling for it, the simple fact is that the federal bureaucracy wanted the euthanasia policy to go ahead was because of its potential to free up money in health care. You can see it in the specific way the policy was implemented. Read the full AP piece. This is a full-on generational scandal in the making. The residential schools program started out small too. |
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