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It's too bad that arrangements haven't long since been made to protect against individual nation *claims* on the Arctic. Surely its resources should not be vulnerable to this sort of land grab. Or am I wrong about that? Is it too late for reasonable, cooperative, multi-nation planning, or will the Arctic be the newest source of conflict between nations? Thoughts? Ideas for reasonable compromise? Will the land and resources indeed go to the first and the strongest? Thanks for any replies. |
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Get all the powers to be together. Thrash out an agreement, everyone invests, everyone shares in the spoils. Work together for all to benefit.
Simple job done. (If only it was that easy) I used to be undecided.....But now I'm not so sure. No trees were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. |
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But, but we still have the moon right? That has to count for something...
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So, the nations that have land bordering the Arctic would be the ones involved in the agreement?
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If all that's required is planting your flag, then the US has control of the moon. No other country can send anything to the moon.
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The Canadians will have something to say about it before it's all done Carol. Much of that territory up north has traditionally been thought of as part of Canada but it was all ice so it's a difficult thing to know.
IMO the only country involved with no say, is the US, unless territories off the borders of Alaska are in question, which they're not in this case AFAIK. More on the Greenland side I believe. Speaking of which I had no idea Greenland was a Danish territory. Odd such a small country has rights over an entire continent. Anyway, Go Canada. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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Greenland is a continent?
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Nope
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Ruling teh World
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Mmm... thank you captain obv- wait! I asked the question!
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DOH. Brain fart. No idea why I wrote that. Must've been thinking of Australia (the island continent). Only missed by a hemisphere. WTF. That's what happens when you start pondering too much about monsters that rise from the depths of Greenland to destroy New York.
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haha. Easy to mix up the two.
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My understanding of this is that international treaty has led to two interpretations of how the boundaries in the Arctic meet. One, preferred by the US, Canada, and (IIRC) Norway, and the other preferred by Russia, Iceland, and (I think) Finland. Neither interpretation has been tested in international court. Russia is planting a flag (which is still a valid and legal claiming method under international law) to help bolster their claim of interpretation.
It's not a case of them waltzing into a completely undisputed international area, they've been arguing that their border extends further north for years. this is an attempt to claim that disputed section. |
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LOL I thought the same thing...
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They're busy moving the pole. But shush, don't tell the Russians!
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Fucking Russians.
Every Arctic nation is in the process of trying to prove the sea bad beneath the arctic ice is attached to their land. Is really not going to be quick or pretty fight over the area. Not surprisingly, Canada's PM hasn't said a word yet despite campaigning on Arctic Sovereignty and promising to invest several billion dollars on a new fleet of ice breakers to patrol the area. The Globe and Mail has a good graphic showing the area: Link Given that there are only five nations that can claim the land it would seem fairly logical for some sort treaty that would give them all equal access to the resources. But with Putin trying to usher in the fifth Russian empire it's unlikely they'll even consider playing nice. If Russian isn't going to play nice then I'd rather see the other arctic nations band together to stave off the Russians. I wonder how long it'll take the Canadian government to respond. |
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Maybe it's time to exercise our 2nd Amendment! Especially the polar bears, who has always claimed Artic!
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We kicked their asses in '72, we'll do it again.
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Interesting topic indeed. Looking around the pole shows that the contestants are: USA, Canada, Greenland (Denmark), Norway and Russia. I think that if this ever gets really serious the NATO partners might just still be smart enough to gang up on Russia.
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On a serious note, I'm a little concerned that mr. Harper might spend too much attention on USA and Denmark instead of Russia. As far as I have heard in the press Denmark and Canada already have an understanding that about how the Hans Ø issue is about to be solved, but I did read somewhere that USA and Canada are upping the rhetoric towards each other. Let me guess. It has something to do with hockey? |
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Canada starts WW3. Who knew?
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Speaking of ass-kicking...
http://espn.go.com/classic/s/miracle_ice_1980.html Spoiler (click to toggle):
Edited: (USA defeats Russia in 1980 Olympics. ) *derails own thread* Last edited by Windswept : 2007-08-02 at 12:16. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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