Hates the Infotainment
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You'd hardly expect this from one of the world's most chauvinist countries (this from a guy who uses the word "chics" on a regular basis), but apparently someone got the memo that scarecrows are not attractive. About fucking time. Get some meat on ya, ladies. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to see ribcage or bare sternum next to artificially enlarged boobs. Or excavated clavicle for that matter. Some of these women look like cartoons.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5341202.stm ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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Guess some of those models are going on a "supersize me" binge, in order too keep their place on the catwalk.
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And those scrawny butts...
My only question/concern: doesn't the BMI have a number of faults. I mean, doesn't it sometimes group healthy people (be they skinny or overweight) in with the perfect people (you and me, for example). It'd be harsh to get chucked out of your job for failing a test that doesn't measure your personal health well. |
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Yes, the BMI assumes a lot about a person's physical structure that you really can't assume. A man my height could easily weigh 200 pounds and be in great shape since muscle weighs about 8 times more than fat, but BMI doesn't consider percentage of body fat or muscle in its grossly over-simplified calculations. A lot of athletes (ignoring the 'roids issue for a second) appear to be in bad shape according to BMI.
The disadvantage is usually appearing over your BMI number, not usually under, though there might be scenarios for that too. |
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Mr. Vieira
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Next to the bleached hair/orange fake tan thing (yeah I'm looking at you, Hilton), the look I despise most on a woman is that ultra-bony, sick look so many seem to sport. It's not attractive, never has been and never will be.
And yet, who knows how many otherwise healthy and attractive teen and twenty-somethings are hurting themselves to achieve this supposed "standard of beauty". It's truly sad. All these idiot shows (the Hollywood entertainment ones, and things like Dateline, 20/20, etc.) will occasionally pay lip service to "the dangers" of striving for that look. Yet they'll turn right around and make a healthy-looking woman seem obese, or will frame the story of a particular actress all around her weight, be it too little or too much. And then when you watch all these award shows, and these Hollywood starvation victims are showing up in all these funky clothes and getting praised left and right (even though their scapulas, clavicles and sternums are all protruding out 1-3"), what the hell message does THAT send to some 14-year-old who wants to be "noticed by boys" or fit in with "the popular girls"? All the once-yearly, tinkling piano music stories some of these shows and networks do are completely undone by the complete horseshit they promote and uphold the other 364 days a year. No wonder some teen girls are completely messed up and feel horrible about themselves. It's an unattainable (by most) and unhealthy appearance...yet it's apparently the end-all/be-all of "beauty" to so many. |
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Yeah, I've never understood that whole 'heroin chic' look, with the rail-thin arms and the chest like a washboard of bones. Ugh.
I can't imagine that such a look appeals to any 'guy', for example... so why do these women reduce themselves to such a state? I mean, models have to be *slim*, because the camera tends to add ten pounds. But there's a big difference between 'slim' and 'emaciated'. Interesting that this event happened in Spain. Quote:
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I shot the sherrif.
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Personal slave. Ugly bony one, but still. |
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Ninja Editor
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I think I might know a guy who would actually stoop low enough to do that if heroin wasn't so very illegal. Of course if it wasn't illegal, it wouldn't be so expensive and the junkie in question could afford to buy her own.
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Rocket Surgeon
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If you go by BMI measurements, people who are "Overweight" live longer than those who are "Normal". Which is better now, perfecto boys?
Bryson (Overweight) |
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hustlin
Join Date: May 2004
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This interested me enough to do a cursory search, but everything I can find says exactly the opposite: that statistically, higher BMI (>25) is correlated with lower lifespans. Do you have more information?
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Depends on how overweight. Seriously overweight people (obese people) die a lot sooner. A few pounds extra relative to BMI standards for some reason correlated in research to those people living longer. You can speculate on any number of reasons why though including that the the index is just plain off, and that people with certain builds (athletes, for example) live longer or have genetic predisposition to better health factors, their build being an effect of that, etc.
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hustlin
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But most of the info I see attributes that either to BMI not properly accounting for people with higher muscle mass or, as found in wikipedia's "Obesity" article:
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Edit: OK, don't mind me, I've just found this subject interesting for no good reason... Anyway, just digging around I found a couple studies. For instance, this one regarding Korean men and women and published in NEJM says: Quote:
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personally, i like the really skinny chicks.... but they need to be tall... when a girl is 5'11" or 6'0" it isn't terribly hard to look very skinny, but still be healthy....
this is more of an issue for shorter girls than taller girls.... i've known several very tall girls who were naturally tall skinny "gazelle-like" women and they ate pretty heartily. |
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Rocket Surgeon
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My source was a number of articles in new scientist - perhaps you should include that in your search terms. |
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Well, yeah, I know a handful of women who are perfectly healthy, ate like horses, aren't "boney" but are very, very thin by nature. There really is such a thing as body structure that BMI doesn't take into consideration. And some people just have high metabolisms. My friend Melissa is something like 5'7 and is probably just over 100 pounds, but isn't emaciated, just small in all respects: small muscles, thin bones, etc.
BMI lumps everyone together and ignores a ton of other factors that go into what can properly be considered considered overweight or underweight. |
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hustlin
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As for studies reported on by new scientist, I'm guessing you don't mean this one: Quote:
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Hates the Infotainment
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Exactly. Aside from being unnatural looking, it's extremely unhealthy. These women are constantly barfing up their lunches and depriving their bodies of nutrients, and when they do eat normally, it's usually something ridiculous like a small salad and glass of water. Newsflash: lettuce has no nutritional value whatsoever. It's all water. What most of these women need is to be put into a clinic and be forced to eat three squares a day for a month, along with some psych counseling. It's really pathetic. Sort of seems like we've become a country of extremes even in how we look. So many people either obese, close to it, or practically anorexic. One day as a country maybe we'll learn the "everything in moderation" lesson (including depriving yourself of food to stay "thin") is the only answer to our problems. Even the political and religious ones. ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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Space Pirate
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Asinine.
I'm tired of making laws to account for idiots. Could someone please point me to the next frontier? It's getting too crowded hereabouts~ |
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is the next Chiquita
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Drewprops, try Alaska.
But then again, a good majority of its population aren't native; usually a psycho who was born and raised in lower 48 states and decided he'd like "rugged and tough" life. Also, men outnumber women 10 to 1, so there is a saying among single women- "The odds are good, but the goods are odd." YMMV. |
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on a related note about weight i think that high fructose corn syrup should not be sold to minors......
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Ninja Editor
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Hates the Infotainment
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Drew: in a way I agree with the general sentiment, but it's not a law. It's just another rule for their business to run by. Their show and their runway, right? They realize these chics are totally out of control with their binge barfing, and won't be a party to encouraging their behavior, much less glamorizing it. Seems OK to me. I guess my title could've been better but I was surprised because it came from within Spain) generally.
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Why are you surprised this happened in Spain?
Personally, I think this is a pretty pathetic attention-grabbing effort. The entire fashion world is thin, from the designers to the clothes to the models to the lines of coke at the parties. That's the way they want it, and that's the way their customer base wants it. It's bad enough seeing half of Hollywood go for the Victorian hourglass look, so please leave the fashion industry alone. |
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Space Pirate
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Cat's Dreamlands
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I agree wholeheartely with the new spanish attitude toward female models.
This attitude was developped with endocrinologist, and is a good new for these models. When you are a model, you are fired if you take too much weight. So models are forced to be anorexic. That's not healthy An another consideration is that the role model of models for the youth. There is more and more anorexic girls and anorexia can lead to death (and it's not very rare unfortunately). If fashion love thin, it's because it's fashion designers are lazy. You can dress, with whatever you want a very thin model, and it will still be cute. Viva espana |
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it's not laziness....... a skinny model gives a better canvas to focus on the actual silhouette of your design. not every design is meant to hug the bodies curves whether it be a skinny person or a fat person...... many designs focus on drapery and a lot more can be done on a skinny model particularly with clothes cut on the bias and jersey knits.....
if you don't believe me go buy a size 2-6 dress form and a size 12+....... start practicing draping on both ..... you simply cannot achieve the same things on a plus size dress form. it's like trying to create a formula one aerodynamic design using the frame of a dump truck |
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is the next Chiquita
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A true designer, IMO, would be able to make anyone, even that he-woman Windswept linked to in other thread, look fabulous. Oh, yeah and let's stop that silly "piece of art" dress parades. Ain't nobody going to wear it on the street. |
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there are basically two types of shows:
Haute Couture and then the pret-a-porter shows.... with regards to the Haute Couture shows it is officially only 10 houses and the goal is not to produce production pieces.... oftentimes one piece can be 400-700 man-hours of work to produce.... the goal is rather to produce something that is good design and that most likely will trickle down to the pret-a-porter lines and then down to better brands, then moderate market and eventually some details will make it down to the mass market..... just because the whole thing isn't going to be worn on the street doesn't mean that many of the details don't make it down to the street in watered down form. even Paco Rabanne's first collection in 1966 was entitled "12 Experimental Dresses" and they were definitely not meant to be worn... however many of those ideas have made it down to the street level since... the design ideas also don't always have to be restricted to dresses... ideas from a dress may be adapted and used in a purse or in shoes for example. pret-a-porter shows on the other hand are different... the two goals here are for the media (fashion magazines) and for the buyers.... the shows are becoming increasingly less important for the latter since companies like Zara have forced the buying season to occur in private shows before the runway shows.... the cycle from design to hanger has been reduced in some cases to as short as 14-20 days, so things are being copied before the original designer the buyers can stock them. i agree that a true designer would be able to make anyone look fabulous..... however, when women become larger, body shapes can be wildly different and then it requires more customization per person..... all of the couture houses design things for larger women privately.... many of them will have custom dress-forms for specific clients. many of which are larger older rich women. finally, probably the most important part is marketing...... $$$ forget the designer and think about money now.... fashion sells and image..... try making a new fashion brand that has plus size women on the catwalk and tell me how well your runway show gets recieved by the fashion media.... you'll lose money hand over fist.... it's not exactly a formula for a profitable business..... yes, there is money to be made selling plus size clothes (Lane Bryant for example) but it's not exactly an image that people try to sell or that girls/women want to ascribe to...... Lane Bryant fills a NEED not a DESIRE..... |
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