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Yonzie
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2008-01-08, 22:10

As you may know, some people register domains, make a page on them, then ditch them after a few days if they don't get enough visitors. This is called domain tasting and is essentially free.
It seems Network Solutions (the registrar, previous manager of .com/.net/.org) has taken this to a new level.
If you check a domain on their website, they register it. Now, you can only buy the domain from them. After the 5-day grace period, they drop it. If you check a domain on their website, they hold it hostage for a few days, in the case that you might actually want to buy it.

http://www.domainnamenews.com/featur...-searches/1359

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2008-01-08, 22:17

I never knew about domain tasting.. And if that is what this is all about I have less of a problem with it.. At the end of the day you are taking advantage of a service Network Solutions provide..

I thought they were simply grabbing anything you *searched for*, something GoDaddy was accused of some time ago.. In that case I have a problem with it, but not one I can really argue, as if you use a certain registrar to search then I am presuming they are probably the one you are going to buy it through.. I don't go to Easy Buy to look at Apple stuff. I go to Apple. And as such I am happy if they hold stock on my behalf. When you look at it that way I find it hard to even have a problem with that practice, which is arguably more sinister than what you describe Network Solutions are doing, IMHO.

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torifile
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2008-01-08, 22:55

http://www.youguysseriouslyregistere...ngisearch.com/
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torifile
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2008-01-08, 22:58

This is ridiculous. http://fckyounetworksolutions.com/

I just searched that like 3 minutes ago.
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2008-01-08, 23:16

I am curious.. What is the problem with this?

Or is it perhaps a function of the 'tasting scheme' that they have to grab it on a sale or return basis?

I am all for conspiracy theories, but find it hard to get worked up about this.

btw the first URL you put up does not exist. Is it possible that it was de-registered again already?

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PKIDelirium
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2008-01-08, 23:22

They both go to a Network Solutions holding page for me.
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turtle
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2008-01-08, 23:23

It would force you to buy from them rather than the lowest bidder. If they hold the name then they have your money if you want that name.
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Brad
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2008-01-08, 23:24

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I am curious.. What is the problem with this?
The problem is that if I want to register the domain with a different registrar, now I can't because Network Solutions possesses it.

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Or is it perhaps a function of the 'tasting scheme' that they have to grab it on a sale or return basis?
There is zero reason for the registrar to take control of the domain upon search... other than pure unadulterated greed... and being a royal asshole.

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2008-01-08, 23:52

I guess so... Having read the article I can see that they are taking advantage of a loophole in the regs that ICANN has not nailed down yet, and as I suspected they are using the same 5 day grace period that is used in the 'domain tasting' scheme.

It's not quite sharp practice, but it's certainly ungentlemanly.

Are they actually inflating these prices like premium number plates or something? Or are we talking about a few $$s here?

I suppose it's just the thin end of the wedge, but I'd far rather see some telecoms or banks taken to task over their fees and practices than waste time on this.. Just my 2c.

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2008-01-08, 23:53

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Has someone actually bought that one now? Good grief!
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PKIDelirium
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2008-01-09, 00:03

http://networksolutionssucksass.com/

Searched 30 seconds ago. Already held.
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scratt
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2008-01-09, 00:15

But I can still get it through GoDaddy. It shows as available.

Am I missing something here?
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autodata
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2008-01-09, 01:00

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But I can still get it through GoDaddy. It shows as available.

Am I missing something here?
Just because godaddy doesn't have a record of it being registered doesn't mean it's available. If it's registered elsewhere, godaddy will send a notice saying they will retry and give you a refund if they still can't get it. If it's a new registration this is fairly common. In this case it was registered today:

http://whois.domaintools.com/youguys...ingisearch.com
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2008-01-09, 01:27

So is it somehow different from one of my own domains?
When I enquire about those at GoDaddy it tells me they are not available.
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2008-01-09, 01:52

They are new registrations. Takes time for the change to spread to all the DNS servers. Anyway, godaddy now reports them as registered.
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2008-01-09, 01:58

Fair enough.. I've been moving servers recently and noticed that GoDaddy updates within a couple of minutes (even for us out here in the boonies), so when it was not showing I wondered if perhaps these domains were in some kind of limbo, where other registrars could perhaps grab them still.

So does this only happen if you go to Network Solutions to do the search?

If so the solution seems simple. Boycott them.

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2008-01-09, 01:59

FWIW, they've reportedly released a statement saying they are doing it to combat tasters:

http://www.circleid.com/posts/81082_...front_running/

This would make sense. Still requires further investigation, though.
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So does this only happen if you go to Network Solutions to do the search?
There are so many ways tasters work it's just disturbing. You aren't really safe anywhere you go.
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Yonzie
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2008-01-09, 08:50

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FWIW, they've reportedly released a statement saying they are doing it to combat tasters:
But it's bullshit since the domains people searched for above (like networksolutionssucksass.com) is still available to everyone, but only from Network Solutions. If you search for the domain, I can come by and buy it 5 minutes later, but only from them.

What Network Solutions does is use domain searches to build a constant pool of domains that are only available from them. It's a bit like tasting (where people just put up an ad-filled page) only they do it to monopolize the popular domains that are often searched for, but somehow unregistered.

Converted 07/2005.
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Mugge
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2008-01-09, 09:09

Ok. I've got another word for this:

Cybersquatting!

Seriously. There's no need to invent new and more edible terms for abuse like that.

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2008-01-09, 10:13

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But it's bullshit since the domains people searched for above (like networksolutionssucksass.com) is still available to everyone, but only from Network Solutions. If you search for the domain, I can come by and buy it 5 minutes later, but only from them.

What Network Solutions does is use domain searches to build a constant pool of domains that are only available from them. It's a bit like tasting (where people just put up an ad-filled page) only they do it to monopolize the popular domains that are often searched for, but somehow unregistered.
Good call.
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Moogs
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2008-01-09, 10:26

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This is ridiculous. http://fckyounetworksolutions.com/

I just searched that like 3 minutes ago.

FUBAR... BUT... I sense there is a way to stop this practice very quickly. Remember when Google-wacking was a big deal? New sport: NSI-wacking.

Here's my entry. Everyone join in the fun!

http://networksolutionsblowsgoats.com/





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Banana
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2008-01-09, 11:46

Out of curiosity- can I bypass registars and register a domain directly with ICANN or whoever is running the racket distribution of IP addresses?
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Moogs
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2008-01-09, 13:51

Not sure about that but FWIW I've never heard of anyone doing that and I've done a moderate amount of professional web design at different times in my career. Most people just register via their host. Whether the hosts (other than NSI and "Registrar first" companies) can go to ICANN directly, I have no idea.

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PKIDelirium
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2008-01-09, 14:24

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Someone's bought it now.

Edit: Hmm. That's a squatter page. I wonder if this practice leads to the domains falling to squatters who put backorders on registered names?
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scratt
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2008-01-09, 21:40

I guess another solution is to simply stop tasting.. I did not realise that is what a lot of those spoof search pages full of junk actually are.. Surely that in itself is enough to justify killing the whole thing.

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