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It's Knowledge Navigator territory. And it's another foundational piece of iOS, something Apple is going to be iterating the shit out of. I mean, "Remind me to buy milk when I get to the market next week" achieved with a single long button press? How much UI does that replace? "Move my meeting with Steve on Wednesday to 4", "You already have an appointment with Jim at 4", "OK make it 5"? HOW THE FUCK CAN ANYONE BE MEH ABOUT THIS? That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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3G talk time has gone up from 7 to 8 hours, though oddly enough, standby time has gone down from 300 to 200 hours.
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"It can now intelligently switch between the antennas for even better call quality." It clearly is, as the name indicates. There was no big press conference. It was held in a rather small room compared to many other Apple events. There was also no hype whatsoever on Apple's part; even the invite wasn't public. |
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And it popped up $20 in the last 30 minutes. The market doesn't know what to make of this. To be honest, I don't know either. Will there be lines for a 4S? And if there aren't what will *that* do to the stock?
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...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics... |
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It will be interesting to use and to see how smart it is... right now it's hard to believe it really can decipher what users mean, beyond set phrases.... but it seems like it is capable of doing so. How does dictation work as far as punctuation? is it like Viavoice where you have to speak punctuation? |
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After a long day away from the computer...
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The name really does piss me off. The whole iOS 4/iPhone 4; iOS 5/iPhone 5; iOS 6/iPhone 6 thing made a ton of sense.
If you count the Verizon iPhone, Apple has released two iPhones in 2011. Perhaps they're moving to two updates a year--the next around March or April of 2012, and the one after that in September or October of 2012. This could mean that a device called iPhone 5 would ship with iOS 5 in six months, followed by an iPhone 5S with iOS 6 six months later. So basically, twice yearly hardware updates, once yearly major software releases. iOS 5 should have been named iOS 4.5, so that full-number hardware releases would be in sync with the iOS version. Perhaps they'll correct the sync eventually. |
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The alternative would be a Microsoft-esque disparity: Windows 7 is internally 6.1; Windows 8 is 6.2; Windows Phone 7.5 is internally 7.1. Is that better? Is Chrome's and Firefox's "let's have a new major release every x weeks regardless of how significant the changes are" better? Simpler, yes. But to me, being able to see whether the producer considers a change major or relatively minor outweighs the simplicity of having a single "we changed something" number. Quote:
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The other piece of this is integration. Siri works with Reminders works with Calendar works with email works with location services works Find My Friend works with Address Book etc. Yeah, Android has cross linking but Siri avails itself of everything else the phone "knows" and it kind of seems like, well, yeah, magic. I believe dictation requires spoken punctuation, but for texting that's hardly burdensome. "Text Linda: I can't come right now comma I have to walk my dog period." That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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Dude, pscates detests the current iPod nano. That alone throws a wrench in your "he's a blind Apple fanboy who likes what Apple tells him to like" theory, so drop it.
I can add to his list of Apple gripes further: he always mentions how his relatives always think his old iPhone looks better than the iPhone 4, for example. Of all of pscates' potential faults, "not bitching about Apple minutae" is not one of them. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Then you got the Sprint people...that'll have to represent a respectable chunk. You've got the holidays coming up as well...people go nuts and buy $200-300 things for close loved ones, sure. Even in The Economy™, you still see such lavish, generous spending and gift-giving. I have, the past 4-5 years. I think this will be a huge hit. This three-month extra wait has helped with that too. I think demand is there. I don't think a lot of current iPhone 4 owners are going to pay ETF or things like that, but I think there's enough of the above to make it all even out? Some are acting like it's this horrible thing (working from a negative, like it's an uphill struggle or something Apple has to "undo" or get past). I simply see it as one of the post popular, attractive cell phones that's ever been just got a hell of a lot nicer, both on the hardware and software front. There's nothing to dislike or apologize for. And I still maintain - not because I'm an argumentative dick or anything, but because they've had plenty of opportunities to change it by now - that the 3.5" screen is not the minus/downside some many assume. They had a big chance to change that in 2010. They had an even bigger one to do it this time around, with the extra delay and with more of the 4"+ models out there. I'm sure they're getting feedback. They're either sticking to their guns for reasons I mentioned earlier. Or maybe they're waiting for certain sizes or types of displays to become common and easily, predictable acquired? Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2011-10-04 at 17:10. |
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Unlike Microsoft's internal Windows restrictions, Apple can call each new iPhone whatever they want. Would it have been somehow deceptive or underhanded to call the iPhone 4S the iPhone 5? I really don't think so. Anyway. iOS 4, A4, iPhone 4. iOS 5, A5, iPhone...4S. iOS 6, A6, iPhone ??? ...I think the clusterfuck of naming has only just begun. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Do people make that much of a distinction between hardware and software? I think this plays like a major upgrade because it comes with iOS 5, some features of which are iPhone 4s exclusive, and iOS 5 is a major, major upgrade.
So I can get the latest Android phone with hardware that goes to 11 in ways that don't really do much for me (screens size has kind of maxed out, CPU speed is starting to follow the pointless incrementalism of Pentium days, etc.), and which may or may not run the latest Android build and may or may not get any kind of timely OS updates, or I can get this "minor update" of an iPhone which gives me a host of real usability improvements. What do I care if the body is unchanged? Apple is signaling that they want to treat their iOS platform like they treated OS X hardware-- something you hang onto for a while while enjoying the fruits of software upgrades. Android land is still playing the phone as bauble game from dumb phone days, something you get bored with like jewelry. Apple is playing the computing platform game. That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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Oh, and by the way, since I haven't seen it mentioned, seems like the rumored (based on a patent application) video stabilization tech made the cut as well. The Apple video makes it look like it works pretty well, and is a welcome update (along with 1080p recording, of course).
While camera phones have mades leaps and bounds in the last few years, rivaling basic digi point and shoots, I've yet to see video from a phone that didn't look either hideously compressed, or laggy, or both. Blown out highs, crushed blacks, rolling shutter distortion-- just nothing to write home about. So I'm very curious to see if Apple's improved lens assembly, back lit 8MP sensor, processing algorithms and image stabilization can come together to make pleasing video. That alone would be worth it to me. That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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I was happy to see that, the video stabilization thing. Not for this time around, but next year when I buy the 4.7" iPhone Xtreme, it'll be part of it (Apple rarely "takes away", so I feel pretty safe assuming that). That's been my one complaint (holy cow! Add it to the list...) about shooting video on my iPhone. It's very jittery and wobbly!
I do it quite a bit. In certain situations it's not as bad or noticeable, but I've had a few nice moments look like they were filmed during a tremor or small quake. That'll be a nice feature, now that my phone has become my camera/video device this past year. |
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I suspect Apple may eventually do to the iPhone what it's already done for the iPods, MacBooks, etc: Drop the version number and just call it iPhone.
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This cannot be stated enough. So many people have been criticizing Apple because "After all the hype" it was "just" what it was. But pretty much all of that 'hype' was not created by Apple at all. Apple has stoked the fires in the past, but for the most part, they really don't go out of their way to generate excitement in any outlandish fashion. Tech blogs, on the other hand, understand that talking bout Apple in any capacity is major click-bait and exploit that knowledge to the fullest.
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