Which way is up?
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The future of the Mac is here. And I'm super excited. The new computers are, well, just new computers. But the chip inside is where the fun stuff is at. A complete SOC, including up to 16GB RAM, storage controllers (and everything else the T2 did), along with a bunch of microprocessors and bus-bits.
8-core CPU (4 high-performance, 4 efficiency), including the fastest single-thread core available; 8-core GPU 16-core Neural Engine Power efficiency like nothing else Fan or fan-less (fans will contribute to higher sustained workloads and may also allow for higher clock speeds) Seriously, this is a neat, little chip! Me so happy! There will obviously be a transition phase where the M1's maximum RAM is limited to 16GB. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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So the chip thermal throttles itself if I'm gathering this right. Since they all seem to be the same chip across the board but some have fans and others don't. Didn't the iPhone throttle itself when it felt it needed to conserve?
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Which way is up?
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And man, what a bunch of nifty tidbits, performance numbers, and technical data—even if the only thing they truly have to work with is the A14. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2020-11-11 at 18:35. |
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Join Date: May 2004
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I know this is for the Macbook Air, but putting this here since I want to focus on the M1.
First geekbench results have been leaked.... And it is impressive. The 10700K in the 2020 iMac with 8 GB of RAM also scores about the same multicore score as the M1. Give the M1 more RAM and could the score still go up? And it is at 15W TDP vs 125W TDP...... Now I doubt the M1 in the MBA will be able to sustain the performance due to thermal constraints, but the Mac Mini and 13" MBP might be real beasts if real world testing matches this benchmark. https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11...rst-benchmark/ giggity |
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Very interesting indeed. I figured it would be close if not matching the Ryzen 5000 series in terms of IPC, it would have to in order to beat Intel. Apple's performance per watt figures are indeed off the charts, one can only wonder what they could do if they threw another 5-15w at those chips. Of course it would only matter if they could actually designed a computer with an adequate cooling system, something only the Mac Pro has.
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That was a fabulous article. Two things popped out at me that made me literally stop and pause, re-read, and re-read a couple more times to make sure I wasn't misreading it.
The width and depth of the instruction pipelines. 8 wide, 630 deep?? That's just... insane. When they said it was a 'humongous' architecture, they weren't kidding. I would give murbot's right nut to learn about the bus design that lets them do that at scale, and his other nut to know what the speculation algorithm looks like. This isn't a fluke, this is a seriously capable architecture that is getting its first taste of open road. |
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Which way is up?
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Yeah, I understood about 2% of it, but I do know a little something abut numbers (2+2=5, and such) and reading through it was eye-popping good stuff. I can only paraphrase the entire article by saying this:
Apple M1 is seriously, gas-sippingly, freaking fast! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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Not that it matters to me at the moment - I don't have an M1-based Mac and I'm not on Big Sur - but I just got update notifications from the two Affinity apps (Designer and Photo) that both are now Apple M1 and Big Sur compatible/optimized.
It'll be months before Adobe (and others) do the same, I'm guessing. Always is. So it's nice to know that when I finally do pull the trigger on a spiffy M1 Mac, which will come installed with Big Sur, the only two third-party apps I really use are already set to go! That was something nice to see this morning because I was kinda wondering about that the other day. Everything else I use is Apple stuff - Safari, Mail, iTunes, Photos, Preview, Notes, Messages, TextEdit, Maps, etc. - so I wasn't worried about their stuff being ready or dialed-in. |
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Which way is up?
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I've been saying it for years: Third party developers were already ahead because of their exposure to iOS devices. And Apple was way ahead with Xcode's multi-platform support.
This transition is going to be slick and quick! There will be speed bumps, but they will be ground down and paved over! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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How long before these are deployed in some sort of supercomputer farm in order to express the efficiency another way? That is - look how much data we can crunch within the same or smaller footprint?
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I don’t think Apple is interested in that market any more. Maybe if they can partner with HPE or Promise or someone.
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Yeah Apple doesn’t have a hope in data centres, not enough modularity.
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Also, data center CPUs benefit from many cores. Apple’s CPUs are more geared towards relatively few but fast cores.
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which is somewhat a shame.... i wonder if the pro desktops will rectify this -- a 32-64 core MacPro would not be out of place in a year or so...
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An 8-wide pipeline is kind of insane to manage, it's much the same problem as a multi-core task allocation bus, especially when you have immediate DRAM access *and* a recompilation on the fly system (caught that in the unveil?) for shuttling tasks between appropriate HW as needed. And yet... they did it. I have a sneaking suspicion (speculation, mind you) that their multi-core capability has yet to be shown. On a small device where power sipping is primo, if you can crank up a core when needed and throttle down when not, and have a sufficiently high ceiling of computer power, you don't really need prevalent multicore capability past the immediate (and known bounded) needs. That doesn't mean the design *can't*, just that they *haven't*. Expanding the pipeline width makes me think they have some serious chops at this that have not yet been put to the multi-core problem. I could be wrong, of course, but call it an informed hunch. |
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Which way is up?
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Kick is one of those dudes who always makes me wonder if he knows what the hell he's talking about.
But, he's Kick, so I have no doubt. Edit: Also, I really think Apple has a rocket on their hands. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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It'll be interesting to see what Apple's bigger Mac CPUs look like. The Air just went from two to four cores (depending on the config) to having 4+4 cores even at the lowest end. The 16-inch Pro will probably at least go to an 8+4 config, maybe even 8+8? I'm less sure what that means for the Mac Pro, though. High-efficiency cores matter less on it, and I'm also not sure Apple's heart is particularly in 28-core setups. |
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Which way is up?
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Well, their 4+4 in a MacBook Air is spanking Intel's 8-core HT mobile beast, even while emulating x86 code.
That being the case, I suspect that their Mac Pro ptimeline will accomplish a similar feat, and I suspect (1 chip or multi-chip) that they have a solution that will blow away the competition. I have been preaching from the rooftops (for at least two years) that Apple should not be underestimated in this space. They are not going to take some crazy backward step, and would not be going down this road unless they already had answers for 28-core performance questions, GPU support questions, TB timeline questions, RAM upgradeability questions, etc. They know where they are going, and they know they are going to be faster and more efficient. It's just time, and we have plenty of that. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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I think the 10W mark comes from the thermal capacity of the MB Air. The Mac mini is a bit higher, I believe.
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Seeing the benchmarks all over the web today make a strong case for most to be willing to upgrade. It certainly is holding its own here.
I also would personally wait for the other MBPs/iMacs to get the "better" chip/configuration though. If the benchmarks are this good for the low lever M1, imagine what the M1x is going to be like. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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Which way is up?
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The real world tests are beginning to show up, and when the only computer in the lineup that can (barely) beat a $999 MB Air costs $6000 and doesn't come with a monitor, you know you have a good chipset.
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Mr. Vieira
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These are quite a thing. What's the "uh-oh" angle? There's always one.
Are they going to regret not putting a fan in the Air? If I got one and spent more than 25 minutes in Sketchup or Affinity Designer, am I gonna regret it? |
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The Verge positively drools over the new Air – it's worth a read for those of us still a little apprehensive about new chips/architecture (Motorola > PowerPC > Intel veteran checking in ). There's another review for the Macbook Pro which, as Ken notes above, comes down to the fan:
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Mr. Vieira
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Who here has ordered one of these new M1-based Macs? I’m looking forward to hearing what folks I “know” have to say vs. just random tech writers, bloggers and YouTube un-boxers.
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Which way is up?
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We've sold three so far, and done one migration. So far, trouble!
But not the machines. Rather, Big Sur is not done cooking. We had a bit of trouble with the migration, and we bricked our floor model 13" M1 MB Pro. Still working on a fix. The good news: The silly things are fast as hell! Even the biggest, baddest apps open within 2 bounces, and they just fly through everything. And, so far, we have no idea what the fans sound like. Oh, and it's absolutely wonderful to hear the chime, again! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Mr. Vieira
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This is why I gave the up the first-day-adopter thing years ago...I spent years doing it - both on my Mac and iPhone - with no trouble at all. But somewhere around 2014-2015, the wheels seemed to come off a bit on the OS/software QC front, so I stopped trying to be among the first. I don't enjoy being a guinea pig or after-the-fact beta tester. But I'm glad to her the machines themselves perform so well. |
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