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Bryson
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2019-03-25, 13:47

Apple's own credit card seems....icky.

Not that it's badly designed or anything, just the whole concept.

Hmm.
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turtle
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2019-03-25, 13:56

Yeah, let me just give my whole life to Apple. I mean, I know right now they say they are focused on privacy, but they also hand over everything they have if a judge signs off on it. Not that I plan to do bad things, but I like making people have to work for my details.

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turtle
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2019-03-25, 13:57

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Apple had to know that these endless reveals were going to be a little weird, yes?
If they didn't know this then whoever scheduled it needs to be fired.
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Dave
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2019-03-25, 15:37

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Yeah, let me just give my whole life to Apple. I mean, I know right now they say they are focused on privacy, but they also hand over everything they have if a judge signs off on it. Not that I plan to do bad things, but I like making people have to work for my details.
Yeah, I’m not completely sold on this being a good idea.

Plus, I mean, it just seems weird for a comp, err, cell phone manufacturer to have their own general-purpose credit card.

When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream.
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turtle
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2019-03-25, 15:41

I can totally imagine a generation that has lived without a traditional bank jumping on this. Everything about their finances in one place through their phone. The fact that all eggs would be in one basket is just too much.

Really, today's event was just to show investors how many ways Apple can get residual, subscription income since hardware isn't where it's at any more. Nothing was really re-invented either. These services can be all obtained elsewhere. The integration is the key to this.

What happens when someone steals a 20-something's phone with a crappy PIN on it? That is a gold mine of location and spending data.

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2019-03-25, 17:13

Agreed with what you guys said.....yawn. No interested in the credit card. No real interest in Arcade. Miiiight look at News+. AppleTV+ could possibly be promising. Wish they would’ve had something that could’ve rivaled DirecTV Now/Hulu Live/Sling/PS Vue to be more integrated into the AppleTV.

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kscherer
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2019-03-25, 17:20

Apple News+ = Meh. I can think of two magazines I have read in the last year, and I wouldn't pay for either of them.
Apple Arcade = Intrigued, but let's see a price.
Apple Card = Intrigued, but what is the interest rate? If 17.99 like everyone else, then meh. If 5%, then sign me up. It's all about the rate.
Apple TV+ = Meh. Just a bunch of Hollywood elites grandstanding for their empires. Whatever. Until I see a cost and content, meh.
Oprah?!? = Good grief. Felt very worshippy. Makes me not want to subscribe simply for that.



but, but, but …








OPRAH!







oh, mighty Oprah!





I half expected her to announce a presidential bid, what with the way Apple sold her as the next coming of the Messiah.

Sheesh.

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turtle
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2019-03-25, 17:31

Every time I see her all I think about is:
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Dave
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2019-03-25, 17:53

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Really, today's event was just to show investors how many ways Apple can get residual, subscription income since hardware isn't where it's at any more.
I kinda hope you’re right... maybe then you won’t need to open an iCredit account just to be able to afford the new Mac Pro (assuming it ever comes out).

When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream.
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2019-03-25, 18:44

Price? Rate? Price? Exactly. A whole lotta questions and not a lot of meat besides some hopeful videos. Arcade and TV felt very unfinished & premature.

Also, where was the AirPower announcement today? It's on the Wireless Case packaging ffs. Why didn't they throw it into the mix last week?

CC is pretty cool though. I'm still fanboi enough to grab it.

So it goes.
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2019-03-25, 18:57

A whole lot of meh, and whatever. Sorry Apple, not biting. Maybe this appeals more to people in their teens, or 20 somethings.

Apple News+ = No thanks
Apple Arcade = Not a chance
Apple TV+ = No urge whatsoever, I use an older Mac Mini for my TV and pick services you don't support.
Oprah = WGAF?????
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2019-03-26, 00:16

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Yawn...
I'm to distracted to keep watching this.

Short version so far is Everything @ $10 a month.
Incredibly disappointing and uninspiring.

I can’t believe what Apple has become. They are going to have a tough time retaining top tier talent if this is their idea of innovation.
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drewprops
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2019-03-26, 07:25

But The Card Is Titanium!!!!


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709
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2019-03-26, 09:32

Saw this over at Gruber: “Variable APRs range from 13.24% to 24.24% based on creditworthiness. Rates as of March 2019.”

Eh. Not quite "low".
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kscherer
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2019-03-26, 11:00

I agree with Gruber. 24% is usury, 13% is not “low”.

I already have a card with those sorts of interest rates and “rewards”. That leaves just two things that Apple Card offers: Complete integration with iPhone, and a physical card with no redeeming characteristics, i.e. no number on the card, no cvv code, no expiration date, and no signature. Those physical things make the card a little less “theftable”.

Still, if Apple wants to shake up this market they need to offer interest rates below 10%. I would say 5% if you have good credit, and 10% if you don’t. That would be innovative!

I suspect Apple is afraid of the credit industry’s wrath on that one.



Curiosity: Who collects the interest, Apple or Goldman Sachs? It’s an Apple branded card, but Goldman is issuing it.

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kieran
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2019-03-26, 12:43

I was excited during the event for different parts, but overall, looking back, nothing too major.

The Apple Card would be cool to have, but I already have credit cards that integrate with Apple Pay, so no big deal there. That being said, I'll probably still try and get one.

Arcade is a no for me since I don't play games.

Apple TV Channels aren't for me as I don't really watch any of those channels.

Apple TV+ is definitely something I'll be subscribing too as there are already a few shows that I'm very interested to watch. I'm curious to what fills out the catalog, but I'm sure information like that will be coming down the road.

Apple News+ is something I already subscribed to yesterday as I do a ton of reading in News and having the extra places to pull information from should be pretty interesting.

Plus, family sharing with all of this is super impressive and I'm glad that Apple is putting that into all of these offerings.
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2019-03-26, 18:15

It feels like the event was scheduled chiefly to please shareholders about future revenue growth, not to inform customers about actual stuff they can buy. Out of the four major announcements, only one actually launched yesterday. The rest is coming in summer or later this year.
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2019-03-27, 03:21

Apple is banking (tee hee) on phones becoming the carrier of digital currency, the establishment of a banking enterprise in the form of a credit card company makes complete sense if at first quizzical. No one needs to sign up for this for Apple to develop a talent pool in banking.

You can ask yourself if this is relevant to a hardware manufacture. But Apple is also a vertical monopoly (or as near to it as possible)... and contracts with other banks to offer their services are going to affect the bottom line eventually when they could be profiting off of their own banking enterprise.

Apple is a huge corporation and I've been waiting for this form of diversification for a while. It's going to cause problems in other aspects of the corporation (as it always does) but this is how Apple, the company, innovates itself...
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2019-03-27, 19:42

So the question is, how long before Apple gets hit with monopoly charges like Microsoft did back in the day?
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kieran
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2019-03-27, 21:02

Nothing legally wrong with a monopoly.

Plenty of things legally wrong with an abusive monopoly.

Big difference.

Apple doesn’t meet any of the criteria for even being a monopoly, yet alone an abusive one.
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2019-03-28, 19:30

IIRC Apple is under investigation for monopoly related chargers in the EU right now (something to do with Apple Music or the App Store I believe).
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2019-03-29, 12:03

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IIRC Apple is under investigation for monopoly related chargers in the EU right now (something to do with Apple Music or the App Store I believe).
Is “chargers” a typo or does the EU think that how a device is charged affects music playback? Normally I’d say it’s obviously typo, but the is the EU we’re talking about — they can’t even see why their new copyright law is a terrible idea.

When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream.
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2019-03-29, 12:53

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Nothing legally wrong with a monopoly.

Plenty of things legally wrong with an abusive monopoly.

Big difference.

Apple doesn’t meet any of the criteria for even being a monopoly, yet alone an abusive one.
Nothing legally wrong with a vertical monopoly. Horizontal monopolies are illegal in many different ways...
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turtle
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2019-03-29, 15:18

Guess Apple couldn't make AirPower work like they had hoped. Guess it is a good thing I don't have anything that charges with Qi yet!
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kieran
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2019-03-29, 15:47

I was really looking forward to AirPower.

Very shitty of them to announce this after they had already sold the wireless AirPods this week. I may not have purchased them, even though I do use them with my Qi charger on my desk.

AirPower just seemed like the perfect accessory for all of these wireless things that Apple has come out with.
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kscherer
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2019-03-29, 18:34

The bad thing isn't that they canceled Airpower. The bad thing is that they pre-announced it. Apple rarely pre-announce anything, and this is why they should never do it!

I suspect that they will learn a lesson from this … Scratch that. I hope they learn from this.

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drewprops
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2019-03-29, 22:00

I think the "they" in this case must rest on the shoulders of Tim Cook.

Steve knew better.



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2019-03-30, 15:36

Let's be honest: Steve would have delivered a sub-par product and begged users to bear with them while they work out the kinks... Recall never buy Rev A...
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2019-04-01, 21:43

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Let's be honest: Steve would have delivered a sub-par product and begged users to bear with them while they work out the kinks... Recall never buy Rev A...
What basis do you have to say that? Revision A’s were typically bare bones in terms of features but they were not subpar. They usually were outclassed by revision b because a had been in development so much longer and had a more difficult time balancing trade offs to hit a pricepoint and release date.
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2019-04-02, 03:25

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What basis do you have to say that?
It's kind of a toss-up for me. He either would have shipped it, been annoyed by the feedback, then canned it, or we would have looked at internal prototypes, been annoyed by the project setbacks, and canned it before it's ever even announced.

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Revision A’s were typically bare bones in terms of features but they were not subpar. They usually were outclassed by revision b because a had been in development so much longer and had a more difficult time balancing trade offs to hit a pricepoint and release date.
That's not my recollection of the Rev A stereotype. It was something like "they got the basic design right, but there are some kinks to work out, and we won't see the result of that for another 6-12 months". One can quibble over whether that made them subpar, or whether Rev A was even a real thing at all*, but I do think the idea of "Rev A" was to criticize that Apple would ship a design that showed a promise, but didn't quite yet deliver on it.

*) How many people can even answer this one, though? It's not like you'd typically buy both Rev A and Rev B and be able to judge differences. We're not all the Grubers and Arments of this world who spend their money on every single iPhone revision. I spaced out Mac purchases to three to five years, so I never really got two Macs of the same larger generation. White iBook, Alu MBP, unibody MBP, Retina MBP, … — never twice of those.

Even if you're a reviewer, you only get a fairly distorted view — you get the first few days of weeks of the product, not its long-term reliability.
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