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Messiahtosh
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2006-05-23, 11:40

*From Macminute.com*

Nike and Apple partner to launch Nike+iPodGlobal
May 23, 2006 - 12:11 EDT Nike and Apple today announced a partnership bringing the worlds of sports and music together with the launch of innovative Nike+iPod products. The first product developed through this partnership is the Nike+iPod Sport Kit, a wireless system that allows Nike+ footwear to talk with an iPod nano to connect users to the "ultimate personal running and workout experience." The new Nike+ Air Zoom Moire is the first footwear designed to talk to iPod.

Nike plans to make many of its leading footwear styles Nike+ ready, connecting millions of consumers to the Nike+iPod experience. With the Nike+ footwear connected to iPod nano through the Nike+iPod Sport Kit, information on time, distance, calories burned and pace is stored on iPod and displayed on the screen; real-time audible feedback also is provided through headphones. The kit includes an in-shoe sensor and a receiver that attaches to iPod. A new Nike Sport Music section on the iTunes(R) Music Store and a new nikeplus.com personal service site help maximize the Nike+iPod experience. The Nike+iPod Sport Kit is expected to be available within 60 days for a suggested retail price of US$29.


I'm trying to find more info on this, but can't seem to. I want to look at shoes that have this capability built-in, to see about prices etc...

This is very cool and what a cool way to add value to the iPod...while lightening your wallet (Nike shoes are outrageously priced). I'm still curious about it, though.

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2006-05-23, 11:46

http://www.apple.com/ipod/nike/gear.html
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2006-05-23, 11:47

I too think this is very cool sounding. I just hope it is implemented well. Nike shoes aren't my favorite for running, but that could change. It would be nice if the iPod could hold stats and transfer them to a program so that you could keep track of your time, distance, and calories for long term monitoring.

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2006-05-23, 11:50

Looks like the birth of the 'Wireless' iPod? Such a small, intelligent device too.

Impressive. Again.

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http://www.nike.com/nikeplus/

Check out the video on this website: [steve jobs] Boom! [steve jobs/]

Only 29 dollars for the kit: nice!

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2006-05-23, 12:48

This is amazing.

The shows are affordable. Starting at $85 and ranging up to $110 I believe. The kit is only $29. They have a preorder for $129 for shoes and the kit available July 13.

It tracks distance, time and speed. Has voiceover updates through the headphone of average pace, time, distance left/time left.

This is very cool and very affordable. Great job Apple. I know a ton of people who are going to jump on this.

It also uploads all the info to a Nike website for stat tracking.

I want to know why it only work on the iPod nano though. Seems strange it wouldnt work on the 5G iPod video.
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2006-05-23, 13:01

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I want to know why it only work on the iPod nano though. Seems strange it wouldnt work on the 5G iPod video.
I think it will work with the other iPods at some point; the Nano was probably chosen as the roll-out iPod because it is the workout iPod of choice - very light and physically small (plus the bonus of solid state memory).

I bet the other current iPods (aside from the Shuffle) will ultimately get this technology.
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2006-05-23, 13:09

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I think it will work with the other iPods at some point; the Nano was probably chosen as the roll-out iPod because it is the workout iPod of choice - very light and physically small (plus the bonus of solid state memory).

I bet the other current iPods (aside from the Shuffle) will ultimately get this technology.
iPod of choice or not, it technically isn't compatible as of now and I'd like to know why. What does the iPod nano have built-in that the iPod video does not. Clearly it must be something otherwise that adapter would work just fine with the regular iPod.
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2006-05-23, 13:22

Won't it just work anyway on the other iPods?
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2006-05-23, 13:26

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Won't it just work anyway on the other iPods?
According to the requirements, no. I can't imagine apple saying it only works with the nano and it really working with the other ones. Why restrict the market if it didnt have to be?
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2006-05-23, 13:45

The video iPod was probably considered to be too large, that and the nano starts at $129/$149.
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2006-05-23, 13:58

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The video iPod was probably considered to be too large, that and the nano starts at $129/$149.
You're not understanding me.

Why would that make it incompatible? less than ideal? Yes. By why won't the adapter work if you plug it in?
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2006-05-23, 14:06

The nano is flash, the others aren't.

Running + HD = bad.

I'd guess it's a limitation set in place by Apple and Nike so people don't get paused songs while running, not a technical lack with regards to the other iPods.

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2006-05-23, 14:13

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The nano is flash, the others aren't.

Running + HD = bad.

I'd guess it's a limitation set in place by Apple and Nike so people don't get paused songs while running, not a technical lack with regards to the other iPods.
Hm, I've run with a hard drive based iPod for 5 years now. The last time I had one skip was my 2nd generation 20GB iPod.

The nano is new to the market. Most people run with hard drive based iPods.

None the less, that is beside the point.

Why wouldn't it still work with a 5G iPod?
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2006-05-23, 14:15

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Wow, that's pretty cool. Just wait until they announce the deal they're working on with Hanes....
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2006-05-23, 14:21

That is pretty cool.

Looks like you could make it work with any shoe just by strapping it on somehow? Since I wear a different brand but really like the product I might have to try it out.
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2006-05-23, 14:32

I'm guessing it could work with the other iPods, but that Apple will have a firmware limitation limiting it to the nano due to size/weight/skipping.
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2006-05-23, 14:45

Requires iTunes 6.0.5. Update anytime soon?
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2006-05-23, 15:17

Is it possible the reason this is done with the nano is because the nano isn't selling as well as it used to, and/or as well as the video iPods?
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2006-05-23, 15:26

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Is it possible the reason this is done with the nano is because the nano isn't selling as well as it used to, and/or as well as the video iPods?
Hardly; the iPod nano is, and consistently has been, the hottest-selling model of all time. Obviously, they're trying to boost sales even more, but that's not an indication of weak/subpar sales at all, IMNSHO.

The fact that the iPod regular isn't supported is most certainly not a technical limitation, as their internal hardware is very identical down to the exact same PortalPlayer SoaC. No, rather, the firmware engineers probably decided it wasn't worth adding this feature to the iPod regular as, due to the size as well as the non-solid-state memory, it simply isn't anywhere near as fit for jogging. An unnecessary decision and an artificial limitation, to be sure, but not an outrageous one.

Moreover, they could try and protect themselves from lawsuits here. Imagine the outcry by dipshits who buy an iPod regular and the Nike+iPod kit because Apple advertised it would work, then jog the hell out of it and break the iPod hard drive, and finally sue Apple due to "false advertising". Hasn't been done before? Sure it has, just look at the battery bullshit lawsuit. (How in the world is Apple responsible for the simple technical fact that lithium-ion batteries lose their capacity over time?)
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2006-05-23, 15:32

I dig it...but I wear Keens.

Heck, Steve Jobs wears Keens, or so I've heard.

But I'm pretty sure this will be Nike-exclusive, sadly.
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2006-05-23, 15:36

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The fact that the iPod regular isn't supported is most certainly not a technical limitation, as their internal hardware is very identical down to the exact same PortalPlayer SoaC. No, rather, the firmware engineers probably decided it wasn't worth adding this feature to the iPod regular as, due to the size as well as the non-solid-state memory, it simply isn't anywhere near as fit for jogging. An unnecessary decision and an artificial limitation, to be sure, but not an outrageous one.
Sorry but I don't see this as the reasoning at all. Apple for many years now has sold the iPod (hard drive based) as a viable jogging device. Millions of people jog with hard drive based iPods. Apple sells armbands for this exact purpose as do many other third parties.

Wasn't worth adding the feature? If its a firmware limitation, most likely it would cost nothing to add this feature to the 5G iPod. So I don't see that as the reason.

It's just strange but I have suspected from the original announcements of the nano and iPod video that the nano was somehow a bit different under the hood in terms of potential capabilities. The 5G always seemed more of a hybrid of the 4G and nano than a larger brother of the nano.
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2006-05-23, 15:37

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I dig it...but I wear Keens.

Heck, Steve Jobs wears Keens, or so I've heard.

But I'm pretty sure this will be Nike-exclusive, sadly.
I thought it was New Balance™?
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Apple for many years now has sold the iPod (hard drive based) as a viable jogging device.
Where? As far as I recall, their jogging-oriented advertising was with the iPod shuffle. Sure, they have the wristband, but that's about as far as it goes.

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I'm not saying it can't be done. It can be, and I'm very well aware it works fine enough. I'm saying this may become a legal liability, and seeing as how many ridiculous lawsuits Apple has faced, it may be a good idea to avoid it (that's the stockholder speaking, not the customer/critic/fan).

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Wasn't worth adding the feature? If its a firmware limitation, most likely it would cost nothing to add this feature to the 5G iPod. So I don't see that as the reason.
Then give me one. More nano sales? I don't think so.

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It's just strange but I have suspected from the original announcements of the nano and iPod video that the nano was somehow a bit different under the hood in terms of potential capabilities. The 5G always seemed more of a hybrid of the 4G and nano than a larger brother of the nano.
As I have pointed out, that is not the case. If you look at iPodLinux's Generations page, you'll find the hardware doesn't differ that much. Most importantly, the SoaC is the exact same. There is no technical reason I can think of. Heck, there is no reason, as far as I can tell, not to implement it all the way back on the iPod 3G and the original iPod mini, but they obviously don't want to lose out on potential sales in that case. Limiting to nano instead of nano and 5G, however, doesn't seem motivated by the same factor.
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2006-05-23, 15:49

The shoes look really nice, I currently have a pair of Nike Free and they are awesome. From the pictures they look like the same design so I might pick it up before school.

Does anyone know if this will support the 5g? I know it skips occasionally when running, but I have too much music I want to listen to!
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2006-05-23, 15:50

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2006-05-23, 15:52

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I dig it...but I wear Keens.

Heck, Steve Jobs wears Keens, or so I've heard.

But I'm pretty sure this will be Nike-exclusive, sadly.
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2006-05-23, 15:56

As for the nano restriction:

Maybe they'd like HD iPod owners to buy an additional iPod for running?

Maybe HD iPods are more vulnerable than flash nanos and Apple fears to be sued when they explicitly encourage HD iPod owners to use it while jogging?
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2006-05-23, 15:59

time will tell how sucessfull this will be.....

so i reserve my much valued (haha!) judgement
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2006-05-23, 17:15

I think you guys are missing the point.

The whole Apple philosophy is simplicity and elegence. A giant ass video iPod duct taped to your arm doesn't look slick. Anything you can come up with as a carrying case for a regular iPod will create an unsightly lump (ha ha) somewhere on your person.

The idea of this is that the Nano is so small it blends into the clothing and is both unnoticeable and unobtrusive. (not a target for thieves?)

I'm sure that the regular iPods would be/are capable of using this hardware, but apple will limit the function to preserve the image. It's what they do.

Don't be surprised in a month or two if a hack allows video iPods to use the Nike broadcaster though.

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2006-05-23, 17:41

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The whole Apple philosophy is simplicity and elegence. A giant ass video iPod duct taped to your arm doesn't look slick. Anything you can come up with as a carrying case for a regular iPod will create an unsightly lump (ha ha) somewhere on your person.
, yeah whenever I walk by people with my ipod in my gym shorts while running I get strange looks!!

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As for the nano restriction:

Maybe they'd like HD iPod owners to buy an additional iPod for running?

Maybe HD iPods are more vulnerable than flash nanos and Apple fears to be sued when they explicitly encourage HD iPod owners to use it while jogging?
Nice call on both. Atleast I won't have to pay a premium for the black nano to match my mac book.
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