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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Apparently the chest beating of Putin was more substantial and war has begun.
I haven't really been following the specifics of what Russia intends to gain by taking the country, but money is always a reason. I'm actually surprised no one mentioned it here yet. While it doesn't effect most of us directly, it will likely impact all of us financially in some way. Apparently oil prices surged following the announcement of the invasion which means even more at the fuel pump. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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Sneaky Punk
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Putin wants to restore Soviet era Russian influence in Eastern Europe, everything he’s done while in power has pointed to that.
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Well, even as politics go, it's kind of… a lot. We've had conflicts like Northern Ireland and Yugoslavia, but what's happening these hours could be the biggest war Europe has seen in almost 80 years.
As for Russia's motivation, Ben Rhodes's analysis checked out to me: Quote:
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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I think, with a few exceptions, most here don't enjoy wallowing in contentious and go-nowhere heavy political threads/discussions that always devolve into "my team can beat up your team, and they never do anything wrong!" squabbling, baiting and (out of frustration/anger) nasty personal jabs (guilty).
That said, this guy is everything many of us saw him as, years ago. Is anyone with an intact brain/functioning set of eyes truly surprised or shocked today? I can't imagine so. Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2022-02-24 at 13:39. Reason: Meh...said more than I really needed, considering (and deleted my two other posts below). The above will suffice. :) |
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Agree, everyone know this is happening, but apart from feeling bad for those stuck in the mire, it’s not going to change much, no more so than when Russia invaded the Crimea. The only thing hitting us will be another needless rise in gas prices. I bet oil executives are bounding with joy, knowing they’ll get huge bonus cheques this year.
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Regarding Ben Rhodes's third point, the "historical" reasons, the Kenyan UN ambassador had this to say (emphasis mine):
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Veteran Member
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Location: Promise Land of Trustafarians
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I'm just glad my great-grandparents fled Ukraine a hundred years ago. Would not like to be in their shtetl outside Odessa right now.
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Dick in the Abstentia, The
Join Date: May 2004
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Nice one with the speed holes.
Not liking how much Putin seems to have gone into full "don't give a fuck" mode. I'd be extremely cautious about dismissing this as a nothingburger for most of us. He's being a total fuck head on NATO's doorstep. The potential for simply blundering into a bigger war is huge let alone whatever old Vlad might have planned. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
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I have former-coworker colleagues/friends living in Kharkiv, though I haven't spoken with any of them in a few years. I spent a week visiting there about ten years ago on a business trip. Lovely place and people. Given all the recent news and knowing how close they are to the border, I figured something like this was inevitable, but when when I saw that this morning explosions were reported there and Russian troops were on their way in…
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Last report I saw was that Russian troops had already surrounded Kyiv, so the war could be over very soon. There are rumours that China is waiting to see how the west responds, because they want to invade Taiwan. If people think there is a chip shortage now, just wait to see what happens if China does that. There’s been some suggestion that the fear of that is why the west has done nothing but give weapons to Ukraine. |
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Ninja Editor
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Ninja Editor
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Oh, I just noticed the speed holes… nice touch.
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: UK's most densely packed city. It's not London...
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Putin gets his name permanently etched into the history stones by the survivors of WWIII. That's his goal. The rest of this is just bullshit attempts to rationalise a deeply weak man's tiny dick exploration of his feelings.
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Paul Krugman opines in The NY Times that the West could implement crippling measures against Russian oligarchs who have incredible sums parked outside of Russia, but wonders if power brokers in the West are willing to risk the hit that could make on THEIR laundered funds.
Meanwhile, we're all acting as if China won't be there to financially back Russia. ... |
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Sneaky Punk
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China and Russia don’t really like each other that much, they won’t cut each other off, but to say one would bail the other out is a bit of a stretch.
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@kk@pennytucker.social
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This is just absolutely wild that we can see these events happening. Hell, someone posted that they knew the Russians were advancing because there was a notice on Google Maps of a traffic jam on a border road going into Ukraine.
Just really terrifying that this could really be the first step into a much larger war that drags a whole bunch of countries into it. Hopefully not, but it's a legitimate possibility. Then, we have the whole China/Taiwan situation with China just waiting to see what the world response to Russia going into Ukraine is. A very legitimate chance that Taiwan is going to be invaded after all of this No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Also love the speedholes. |
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Selfish Heathen
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Selfish Heathen
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In other news, I heard back this morning from a couple of my old software engineering colleagues who are still living in and around Kharkiv. They're generally okay for now, but they've already had to take cover in underground shelters overnight. "Worrying, but not panicking," as one of them said. Of course, details are scare for good reason, but folks have put on a brave face so far.
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Sneaky Punk
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At the end of the day it’s the locals who pay the highest price, I hope your friends stay safe!
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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It’s all disgusting. I’m hoping leaders and military higher-ups, who aren’t buying into this, stage a coup. Or are they all unhinged assholes too?
I was thinking yesterday/last night about the rank-and-file 20-year-old Russian soldiers rolling into places yesterday. Are they like “I’m a soldier to defend my country, not invade neighboring nations and be on the hook for dead civilians I’ve got zero beef with”. I wish some high-placed Russian(s) could just put two in the cocksucker’s head. And anyone else who’s thrown in with him, if needed. That kind of thing happens all the time. He’s not special or immune/exempt. Has Ukraine actually done anything - other than exist - to Russia that I’m not aware of? Maybe he’ll go out riding his horse shirtless, trip on a log, fall off and break his neck? Would that ease things back down a bit? Aren’t there agencies who engineer bringing about needed “accidents”? There needs to be a way to off this moron where everyone’s hands are “clean” and it was just a “massive stroke”, horse-riding accident, an unholy case of the clap, etc. I don’t mean to come across as flippant, but history is pretty clear on what this sort of behavior and actions lead to. We can’t go down that road. If this guy is the villain everyone seems to be in agreement on, then don’t give him years to run wild like that mustached fuckface in Germany 80+ years ago. That maniac should’ve been dealt with too, far sooner than he was. Or do we sit and watch this guy oppress and kill about 6M people too? That can’t even be an option, right? Right?! |
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I think most Russians just want to keep theirs heads down. Russian’s I met who immigrated here didn’t have anything nice to say about the government. The general consensus was that everything from local government to Putin himself was very corrupt.
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Veteran Member
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Seems like we need one of his bodyguards to take one for the team.
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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"I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country." - New York, 1776
"Russian warship, go fuck yourself." - Zmiinyi Island, 2022 Not as eloquent, but a bit more to the point. "All border guards died heroically but did not give up. They will be awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine posthumously." [the highest Ukrainian military honor] - Ukraine President Zelenskyy Damn. |
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Sneaky Punk
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December 1944, Brigadier General Anthony C. McAuliffe reply to the Germans asking the 101st Airborne to surrender, "Nuts!" Seems fitting in this situation as well.
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There were 13 soldiers stationed there. I get that you want to proclaim dignity and bravery for your own armed forces, and capturing 82 is better than killing 13 from a kilometer away, but the added detail of the signing the papers, what moron is going to believe this? |
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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Yeah, I read that and thought “that’s pretty weak”.
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