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Join Date: May 2004
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There really aren't any new members anymore though. Just spambots. For all the reasons laid out in this thread. Now the thing that brought everyone here together was a shared interest in Apple. But that has sort of faded as Apple has gotten bigger but lost a lot of their mystique. Not to mention there are so many other places to go if you want to talk about stuff.
The advantage of a forum like this is the sense of community you get from being here. Discussions move slow because there aren't many people, but you can get to know people. But if you're not already part of the community, what advantage is there? You're better off going to a Facebook group or a subreddit where there are lots of people. Or even track down one of the really big forums that's still active like Ars Technica or AnandTech. I know whenever I go to join a forum it's annoying to have to wait for an admin to approve my account, if they do that. Or to have restrictions on posting until you post a welcome thread. But I also get that having a forum overrun with fake accounts isn't desirable. It seems the majority of new posters are actually spam accounts, but how many of those do we even get? |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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All those points are valid, which is why we are also trying to come up with a way to reinsert the forum on the map.
- There are other things to talk about. - We have smart members who can talk about those things. - Can we get those things front and center on a redesigned homepage? - Can we draw new users and conversation through that content? - Can we stem the flood of bots with some simple posting revisions for new users? - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Some things are worth fighting for. If you had a bunch of friends coming over to your house, and then they stop coming over, do you let the weeds take over or burn the house down? No! You figure out why the friends stopped coming over and try to fix that. Was it because they didn't like you? Then figure out why and either stand your ground or fix it. Is it because they found new, rich friends to hang out with? Time to get some new friends! But, torch the house? Hell no!
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1) People don't feel that Apple is "exciting" anymore 2) Social media I think it has more to do with the second option than the first. Social media is easier. Quote:
I have no intention of letting social media scrape me off. If AN dies, it and its culture cannot be replaced with ad-driven slop! The very purpose of this thread is trying to sort out how we can keep exactly those things from happening. Obviously, there are a few of us left who prefer this avenue. And, no, I will not use Whatsapp. It's owned by Facebook, so no way! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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If it's that it sounds contradictory: I'm not sure that's true. I don't think shooting for the masses is feasible at this point; instead, I would recommend tryging to carve out a specific niche. And raising the bar might help with that. |
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Just as a counterpoint to the "Apple isn't exciting any more": I couldn't bear to watch the Services presentation back in… March, was it? But I did watch the entirety of the WWDC keynote. No, I didn't like all of it. Yes, there is plenty of criticize. No, Apple isn't the underdog any more (it's unclear if they ever truly were; they've been a massive corporation for decades, really). But. I still found it inspiring! I've managed software projects, and it's actually really hard. Yes, Apple has a ton of budget, but things don't scale like that in the real world. With most products/projects/apps, they seem to be doing a great job assembling a team that's passionate about shipping stuff they're proud of. And maybe (it's a stretch, but maybe?) that's a hint towards the angle this site could have: real artists ship. |
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Location: UK's most densely packed city. It's not London...
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Still, the vitality of the forums at Appleinsider and Macrumors tell me there is still room for growth here. We just have to identify what that room looks like, and it is articles, methinks. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The Canadark
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Look, we're all circling around the elephant in the room.
What's it going to take? Spoiler (click to toggle):
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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But in the mean time while I start slaving away on Bryson's excellent suggestion…
There's other upgrade/migration work for me before I can get the server into a state where I could install a modern CMS, but there's nothing stopping anyone from writing article-quality content today and posting it as, well, new forum threads. I would totally encourage anyone who has volunteered to get into the writing habit by doing this. It's a good opportunity to work those typing fingers, get some practice, and prove yourself a few times before your name would show up on a not-forum "front page" somewhere. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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— Many of you may not know it (although I have said so), but I have written several manuscripts. One thing I have thought about doing is publishing one of them through AN—one chapter at a time. I'm like Chucker. I can write, but I need an editor. If I decide to do this (and if the community perceives it to be a good idea) I will edit one chapter at a time and post maybe one per week. We'll see. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2019-06-14 at 15:21. |
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Maybe. Is there some collaborative Markdown editor, like Hydra/SubEthaEdit way back in the day? Confluence and Word are pretty good (please don't say Google Docs), but looking for something more low-key.
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(Looks like even TextEdit has iCloud collaboration?) Pages is fine. I just didn't mention it since I rarely use it and a word processor is technically not quite the right tool. (Or is it…) PM me your iCloud ID? |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: London, Europe
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This is my annual post. Don't say I never give you guys nuthin'
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OK, that's 927 words vs. my 1597. I think that's right. My piece was just too long-winded. We should probably shoot for something more like 1,000, maybe even just 800.
Now the question is if such a bi-weekly schedule is tenable? Can we / do we want to have one such story every other week? Do we only want opinion/analysis* pieces? I'm leaning towards yes, since news sources are aplenty. But also, so are tech pundits, so… *) I could never quite figure out the distinction. Maybe it isn't that clear-cut in today's media. |
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Opinion/analysis? Yes. And maybe short stories? - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory
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How many words do pictures count for?
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