[thegelding]

i know this will spin out of control and likely get locked...but i just think this is too funny...


WWJK*

g


*who would jesus kill


god forbid Democratically elected heads of state would disagree with our democratically elected head of state...

[709]

Yeah, I read that earlier today.

Pat Robertson is a fucking loonie.

[Kickaha]

Robertson has always been a loonie.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Fundamentalists of *ANY* religion are dangerous insane individuals.

[709]

After his advocating a 'small nuke' and praying for a few SC Justice's demise I'm surprised he's even around still. 'Terrorist Statements' indeed. I for one would have no problem knowing he's being bent over in a prison cell.

[Kickaha]

Personally I almost hope some other fanatic idiot takes him up on the suggestion, and then points to him as the instigator so he *can* be hauled into court on terrorism charges.

Asshat.

[onlyafterdark]

Personally I almost hope some other fanatic idiot takes him up on the suggestion, and then points to him as the instigator so he *can* be hauled into court on terrorism charges.

That would be perfect. Too bad his place would be filled in a blink of an eye and we would have a new asshat to worry about.

[Franz Josef]

At least it doesn't lower my opinion of him, that wouldn't be possible.

[DMBand0026]

What a retard. He's no evangelist...he's just a moron. That dude just doesn't get it.

[SKMDC]

Originally Posted by Kickaha Personally I almost hope some other fanatic idiot takes him up on the suggestion, and then points to him as the instigator so he *can* be hauled into court on terrorism charges. Asshat.

and you saying this is different than what he said.....how, exactly?

[BuonRotto]

Court/jail time versus assassination you mean?

[Kickaha]

I'm not suggesting that anyone be assassinated.

I'm not a commercial broadcasting company masquerading as a religious body.

I'm not being a hypocrite, decrying statements that Islam is a religion of peace, saying Christianity is, then publicly calling for murder.

Robertson is instigating terrorism, plain and simple. He'll waffle and dodge to try and get out from under it, but IMO he's no different than a fundie quasi-Muslim sitting in a cave on the Pakistani/Afghanistan border calling for jihad. The difference is that because he's supposedly 'Christian', he'll never be held accountable, or even questioned by the mouthbreathing masses that think he's just saintly. If one of his insane followers does take up arms, ala Eric Rudolph, then *MAYBE* people will wake up and see that there's no difference between Robertson and the other fundamentalist power-grabbers in the world willing to call for violence to further their own selfish and delusional ends.

Fundamentalism of any supposedly religious bent is dangerous to society, as it is based on irrational beliefs (called 'faith'), unbending obedience, and above all, the subjugation of one's own free will to 'some other being'... who just happens to have a very human, very flawed mouthpiece to hand out 'godly' decree. Convenient, that.

[atomicbartbeans]

He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practise witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

Riiiight.

Honestly, I'm surprised anybody takes this guy's comments seriously.

Edit: And this is coming from a Christian. Frankly, I'm insulted that people associate this guy with people like me.

[murbot]

We just need a team of covert operatives to take Robertson out, so someone can post it to Fark with the IRONIC tag.

[kscherer]

I'm quite amazed that anyone would slam Robertson for making a "terrorist statement", and then make the same "terrorist statement" in calling for his murder.

Robertson is a slug, but no more so than all of the talking heads on both sides of the argument. His statements are no different than Bush's demand for Saddam's head, or Clinton's demand for some dude in Somalia or Croatia. The difference is, that because he is a "fundamentalist christian", he must be chastised by anti-christians who demand "tolerance", without offering any in return.

If you want "tolerance", then please be prepared to take his comments with a grain of salt. If Robertson had the authority or political power to act on his comments, then you'd better believe that half of you kind folks would be dead. But he doesn't, so deal with it.

He's blowing off smoke, just like you guys are currently doing. Same thing, justified by a few big, fancy words like "tolerance".

Tolerance: the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

Ouch, that hurts!

[Bryson]

I disagree, kscherer. I think it's clear from the context here that no-one is actually suggesting that someone should kill him. On the other hand, Robertson, who is publicly a christian, is actually calling for someone to violate one of the 10 rules by which the religion he claims to represent rule their lives.

And it does matter that he's a Christian, because that means he has signed up for a belief system that excludes murder. Non-christians have not signed up to avoid murder. Thats not to say that they like it, or intend to do it, but they do have the (moral, not legal) choice.

[Naderfan]

Part of it though, is that no matter what we say, or as important as we may think we are, at the end of the day, we're just a bunch of nameless folks on an internet Apple Forum.

Pat Robertson, on the other hand, claims to have a firm hold on what true Christian Truth is and he makes that statement on national television trying to sway others to believe the same thing.

Also, while some may really believe that Pat should be killed, I think the majority are just turing his statements against him. But I do not doubt that he really believes Chavez should be taken out.

Just my two cents.


Edit: Yeah, what Byrson said

[bassplayinMacFiend]

Ahh, can't you just feel the love? You know, that love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, thou shalt not kill love?

I knew you could feel it, just like I do. It's like a warm fuzzy sweater keeping you warm on a cold winter's night.

[SKMDC]

I kind of agree with kscherer, this thread started with a bunch of flippant responses. That's why i goaded kickaha a bit to get a more thoughtful response. Everyone can chime in with "that robertson dude sucks" but he's just preaching to his choir. Remember more than half of America's electorate is practicing duck and cover drills, and seem to like tough sounding language.

Ironically Robertson probably ensured the Chavez administration's survival by saying out loud what the Bush Administration has been whispering lately. They don't need any trouble in this hemisphere at this time, and luckily for the world at large South American politicos seem to like killing each other as much as their Arab counterparts do, so they never seem to be able to organize a cohesive strategy for changing their dismal worlds violently.

[Naderfan]

Robertson told viewers of his longtime show, "The 700 Club," on Monday that Chavez was turning his oil-rich South American country into "a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent."

That's from CNN's story...the irony there is that Venezula is like 99% Catholic or something like that. I'm not seeing how that's a launch pad for Muslim extremism. Also, I dont think Communism and Muslim extremism fit together well, seeing as how communist countries aren't really known for their sympathies toward any religion.

[kscherer]

Originally Posted by Bryson And it does matter that he's a Christian, because that means he has signed up for a belief system that excludes murder. Non-christians have not signed up to avoid murder. Thats not to say that they like it, or intend to do it, but they do have the (moral, not legal) choice.

I know you are an inteligent individual, but this statement is dumb! If you are an American, then you have signed up to avoid murder (its against the law). We ALL have that choice, regardless of our religious leanings. To claim that there is a difference because of "moral" choice is a cop-out! Murder is wrong, period! I am a God-fearing man and believe murder is wrong because of a spiritual significance God placed on humans. You may not be a God-fearing man but I fail to see how that can make murder different. The legality of murder in this country is based on the 6th commandment so, regardless of your moral views, if you accept the fact that murder is wrong, then you accept this commandment. You may not like it, or believe it, but it is the cold, hard truth.

And let's get one thing straight: I do NOT support Robertson, nor does he represent me (a Christian). His claim to the religion is political! His faith is monetary.

Please don't confuse him with me.

[SKMDC]

But Robertson does have a Christian constituency does he not? Unless their is someone qualified to decide who's a valid Christian and who's not.
Where is the Archbishop of Canterbury when you need him?

[kscherer]

He does have a constituency, as does Osam bin Laden and David Koresh dude. But that does not mean that every Muslim is a terroist or that every Christian demands the surrender of every guy's wife! We humans tend to follow our human (read flawed) leaders wherever they lead us. It will be interesting to see if Robertson's group follows him off the bridge.

[SKMDC]

I'm sure the checks will keep coming.

But that was my point in an oblique way, all Christians are no more similar than all Muslims. But as both are just a lot of moonbeams and gorilla dust to many of us it's easy to blur distinctions.

[thegelding]

never once mentioned that he should be killed?? personally against murder...would hope his followers are too...would like to patent WWJK though, mostly because it might make me lots of money

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[Frank777]

Robertson will have to retract this incredibly stupid statement. I predict it will happen within hours.

While he's a multi-millionaire, and a "lone ranger" tele-evangelist who isn't accountable to a denomination, he still needs to have his "Christian" credentials intact to maintain his political status and connections. Otherwise, he's just an older Benny Hinn-type who can be safely ignored.

It's one thing to rail about Bin Laden or socialists or feminists, but it's an entirely different thing to take on the worldview of the entire Evangelical Christian church establishment.

I guarantee you he's being read the riot act as we type, and an apology will be issued soon after.

[DMBand0026]

I heard the author of a book called "How to be a Christian Without Being an Idiot" commenting on Robert's comment on NPR tonight. It was actually pretty funny. He came right out and said what we were all thinking, that he's a moron.

[Frank777]

Of course, the act calling another Christian a moron directly contradicts Jesus' teaching as well (Matthew 5:22), proving that the author should probably take his own advice.

[Naderfan]

Eh, Jesus was known to lay into the religious establishment from time to time. I'd think he'd call Pat a moron too.

[Bryson]

Originally Posted by kscherer I know you are an inteligent individual, but this statement is dumb!

In your opinion. I'll admit to a deliberately extreme example.

If you are an American,

I'm not.

then you have signed up to avoid murder (its against the law).

I said Moral, not Legal.

We ALL have that choice, regardless of our religious leanings. To claim that there is a difference because of "moral" choice is a cop-out! Murder is wrong, period!

I agree with you. But, sadly, some people do not.

I am a God-fearing man and believe murder is wrong because of a spiritual significance God placed on humans. You may not be a God-fearing man but I fail to see how that can make murder different. The legality of murder in this country is based on the 6th commandment so, regardless of your moral views, if you accept the fact that murder is wrong, then you accept this commandment. You may not like it, or believe it, but it is the cold, hard truth.

I accept that murder is wrong. But I think that I decided that, rather than being told.

And let's get one thing straight: I do NOT support Robertson, nor does he represent me (a Christian). His claim to the religion is political! His faith is monetary.

Hell yeah! The issue here is that he's hiding behind religion to defend his crackpot ideas. I guess my real problem with religion is the guys who do this, and the way they can rely on others who share their religion to defend their point of view.

Please don't confuse him with me.

Don't worry, I don't.... For future reference, I should probably say that I enjoy arguing points as an intellectual exercise, it's nothing personal!

[psmith2.0]

You know what strikes me as funny?

If everyone here - and in the media and all the other places I read, listened to and watched all day yesterday - had directed this much fire, passion, indignation and rage toward several other choice individuals (who deserve it more), we might've been out of Iraq and Afghanistan a long damn time ago, AND had a possible easier time of it while there and got the job done sooner.

And no, I'm not referring to President Bush either, nimrods.



Yeah, Robertson totally stepped in it, and he'll realize it soon if he hasn't already. But he isn't going to do anything, and no one takes him seriously or is threatened by him.