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709 · 2011-09-14, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Elysium

Agreed. We should probably put a moratorium on excess exploration as well.

There is one tedious project I was working on by the rink. Maybe I'll make it a goal to finish it for 1.9 so it'll look finished for anybody that wants it for offline.

Or this, though I'd like to have the option of upgrading the world as it is now directly into 1.9 to take advantage of all the "finished" biomes.

709 · 2011-09-14, 18:39

wrt to the whole mob persistence thing that's supposedly upcoming, I don't know if a passive trap is going to be feasible. Apparently once passive mobs spawn, once they get killed off they don't come back. This could be a problem.

Though, there is talk of procreation in 1.9. I wonder how that will work? Just put 2 pigs together and eventually get a baby pig? Curious.

Or... you don't think... I mean... sheep, sure, but... oh god. MC is about to get embarrassingly weird.

Robo · 2011-09-14, 19:49

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Originally Posted by 709

I agree with everyone that 1.9 should be our jump into the new world. Seems logical.

I just wish we knew when that would be.

709 · 2011-09-14, 20:08

Likely 2 or 3 days before 1.10 (final?) drops at MCFEST or whatever the fuck that thing is called at Las Vegas in November.

/bitchy

Middle of October, probably.

billybobsky · 2011-09-14, 21:53

It's either going to take forever (mid-october) or be somewhat fast (1-2 weeks, tops), if it's mid-october a lot of shit is going to have to go into it. Isn't this the point in normal software development that things start getting released in a virtual stream of consciousness?

turtle · 2011-09-14, 22:18

I do hope it isn't long. I'm kinda missing playing with everyone.

However!

I found my stronghold. Iron doors with push buttons, jail cells, library and stone bricks and mossy stone bricks. Pretty sweet actually. About 800 blocks south and 100 east. This was a fun find. Found it right before work though so I haven't been able to explore it really yet. Planning to do that some tonight.

turtle · 2011-09-14, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 709

wrt to the whole mob persistence thing that's supposedly upcoming, I don't know if a passive trap is going to be feasible. Apparently once passive mobs spawn, once they get killed off they don't come back. This could be a problem.

Though, there is talk of procreation in 1.9. I wonder how that will work? Just put 2 pigs together and eventually get a baby pig? Curious.

Or... you don't think... I mean... sheep, sure, but... oh god. MC is about to get embarrassingly weird.

One thing about this. There is a duck stuck inside a fence at my new souther property. It's been in the fence for days now. I collect eggs from it. I'm thinking this is the kind of persistence that is a good thing. I have killed endless scads of sheep, cows and pigs and they all come back. I can't imagine we will have endangered species.

Elysium · 2011-09-15, 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by 709

wrt to the whole mob persistence thing that's supposedly upcoming, I don't know if a passive trap is going to be feasible. Apparently once passive mobs spawn, once they get killed off they don't come back. This could be a problem.

Though, there is talk of procreation in 1.9. I wonder how that will work? Just put 2 pigs together and eventually get a baby pig? Curious.

Or... you don't think... I mean... sheep, sure, but... oh god. MC is about to get embarrassingly weird.

So basically with the new hunger bar addition in 1.8 if you want settle down and build, then the first thing you need to do is set up a farm. Joy.

With the snow and ice getting nerfed, I can't finish any of my projects at the rink until 1.9.

709 · 2011-09-15, 10:37

I don't remember where I read that mobs don't repopulate... hopefully that was another "wild-ass -fact" that will be disproven in-game. It would be a true pain if so.

With 1.9 comes animal breeding for sure, as tweeted by jeb. Not sure of the mechanics involved with that one.

I've seen some simple ducken farm designs out there that basically involve a 5x5 pit filled with water with a hole at the bottom to retrieve eggs. Ducken farm > eggs > smash eggs > more duckens > meat.

Brad · 2011-09-15, 11:14

http://twitter.com/#!/jeb_/status/76647002317930496

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@Mr_Flopsie All animals will be more persistent "soon," so re-growth of wool will be necessary

From @jeb_ on June 3.

billybobsky · 2011-09-15, 11:25

Persistant doesn't mean won't respawn -- just means they will be less likely to despawn (perhaps to 0?). We might need a communal animal farm/breeding center.

709 · 2011-09-15, 13:11

That could be fun to build.

Maybe we could build the hostile mob trap directly beneath it (I think you and I briefly talked about this a while ago in-game) so it's kind of a one-stop area to collect mob goodies. If it's anything like the old design it should go much quicker as we just basically have to carve it out underground instead of building it up from the center.

drewprops · 2011-09-15, 20:17

Can "The Abattoir" have a neon sign like the Theatre? How gauche would that be? I'm starting to feel like becoming a Minecraft vegetarian.

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turtle · 2011-09-15, 22:49

I'm thinking this is the persistence they are talking about. This duck has been here for days upon days now.

BTW, anyone install the newest update? Even know what it is? I'm going to hunt now, just given the greeting to ask if I want to update.

ThunderPoit · 2011-09-16, 05:43

I did. One thing, dont knowmwhat update it came with, but one shift click while crafting will craft everything on your workbench. If you have 64 sticks and coal, one shift click gives you 256 torches.

709 · 2011-09-16, 08:22

Yeah, that's part of the latest update. About friggin' time. Making tons of slabs was a huge pain.

billybobsky · 2011-09-16, 09:34

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Originally Posted by turtle

I'm thinking this is the persistence they are talking about. This duck has been here for days upon days now.

BTW, anyone install the newest update? Even know what it is? I'm going to hunt now, just given the greeting to ask if I want to update.

So my guess about the persistence thing was right -- passive mobs simply do not despawn. Of course, they *have* to respawn...

Brad · 2011-09-16, 10:21

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Originally Posted by billybobsky

Of course, they *have* to respawn...

Maybe. At the very least, the spawning algorithm has significantly changed and some areas/biomes appear to either never get respawns or have a significantly reduced rate.

I posted this a few days ago, and it's still true. My old "challenge island" used to be bustling with animals, and now it's dead quiet. I've even increased the grass surface area to try to boost the chance. Nada.

drewprops · 2011-09-16, 14:59

Can you herd sheep in Minecraft? You could run some of them toward your island.
I don't want to know what else you do with them after that.

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Brad · 2011-09-16, 15:48

Sorry, I meant it was on my Survival Island map.

http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/...dls-★★★/

It's a manmade map that puts you on an island surrounded by a reasonably large ocean, large enough to make herding anything a serious challenge (and against the spirit of the rules).

709 · 2011-09-16, 16:09

Man, I feel sorry for those Craftbukkit guys. Been checking in on their Twitter once in a while ever since you mentioned them and they're getting slammed with the typical "wen is 1.81 out neeed it NOW" shit.

Hopefully this will mean an uptick in their donations though as people realize what they go through for free. Sounds like this was especially painful as it's a total rewrite.

RowdyScot · 2011-09-16, 16:19

Endermen have destroyed my new bases on SSP 4 times now. I just can't build fast enough to get something lit before they arrive, and they've been spawning near me every time. I don't know if that's just terribad luck on my part or what, but I hate the fuckers.

Bryson · 2011-09-16, 16:47

Water, Rowdy. Build near water. At least at first.

I lucked out witha ready-made village on the edge of lake, near another lake. I only had two sides to protect.

Also, the sooner you can get a bed made and not give them time to mess about, the better.

billybobsky · 2011-09-16, 17:35

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Originally Posted by Brad

Maybe. At the very least, the spawning algorithm has significantly changed and some areas/biomes appear to either never get respawns or have a significantly reduced rate.

No, no... they have to... The game would be completely useless if the *insert passive mob name here* all died because they fell down a hill.

Brad · 2011-09-16, 18:09

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Originally Posted by 709

Man, I feel sorry for those Craftbukkit guys. Been checking in on their Twitter once in a while ever since you mentioned them and they're getting slammed with the typical "wen is 1.81 out neeed it NOW" shit.

The forums are the same way. Whenever I go in there looking for plugins or relevant information, it feels like the place is filled with self-absorbed technically-inept 12-year-olds.

There are a few good eggs and talented contributors, but they're definitely outnumbered.

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Originally Posted by 709

Hopefully this will mean an uptick in their donations though as people realize what they go through for free. Sounds like this was especially painful as it's a total rewrite.

Oh yeah, and half those 12-year-olds had to borrow mom's credit card to buy the game and the other half are proudly pirating the game with no remorse. So, good luck on the donations front.

drewprops · 2011-09-16, 18:10

Couldn't we bank AppleNovaLand for a week and do multiplayer together on Turtle's machine? Nobody build anything they can't leave later? Couldn't we????!

COME ON!!!

...

Bryson · 2011-09-16, 18:17

And, gulp, have an adventure! No permanent structures that we don't find ready made. Just exploring and fighting nasties. Sounds cool to me.

No Bukkit would mean no warping, though, so no easy way to catch up with the gang.

Brad · 2011-09-16, 18:36

Sure, what the heck.

Barring objections, I'll probably pull the switch when I get back later tonight (probably a couple of hours).

Bryson · 2011-09-16, 19:39

With a fresh, random seed? Sweeeeeet....

Bryson · 2011-09-16, 19:51

Has anyone found a melon yet? Or pumkin seeds? I have no idea how these work.

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709 ¡Damned! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Purgatory	2011-09-14, 20:08 Likely 2 or 3 days before 1.10 (final?) drops at MCFEST or whatever the fuck that thing is called at Las Vegas in November. /bitchy Middle of October, probably. So it goes.
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billybobsky BANNED I am worthless beyond hope. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inner Swabia. If you have to ask twice, don't.	2011-09-14, 21:53 It's either going to take forever (mid-october) or be somewhat fast (1-2 weeks, tops), if it's mid-october a lot of shit is going to have to go into it. Isn't this the point in normal software development that things start getting released in a virtual stream of consciousness?
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billybobsky BANNED I am worthless beyond hope. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inner Swabia. If you have to ask twice, don't.	2011-09-15, 11:25 Persistant doesn't mean won't respawn -- just means they will be less likely to despawn (perhaps to 0?). We might need a communal animal farm/breeding center.
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drewprops Space Pirate Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta	2011-09-15, 20:17 Can "The Abattoir" have a neon sign like the Theatre? How gauche would that be? I'm starting to feel like becoming a Minecraft vegetarian. ...
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ThunderPoit Making sawdust Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minnesota	2011-09-16, 05:43 I did. One thing, dont knowmwhat update it came with, but one shift click while crafting will craft everything on your workbench. If you have 64 sticks and coal, one shift click gives you 256 torches.
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709 ¡Damned! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Purgatory	2011-09-16, 08:22 Yeah, that's part of the latest update. About friggin' time. Making tons of slabs was a huge pain.
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drewprops Space Pirate Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta	2011-09-16, 14:59 Can you herd sheep in Minecraft? You could run some of them toward your island. I don't want to know what else you do with them after that. ...
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RowdyScot Ice Arrow Sniper Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Bay Temple	2011-09-16, 16:19 Endermen have destroyed my new bases on SSP 4 times now. I just can't build fast enough to get something lit before they arrive, and they've been spawning near me every time. I don't know if that's just terribad luck on my part or what, but I hate the fuckers. Authentic Nova Scotia bagpipe innards
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Bryson Rocket Surgeon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Canadark	2011-09-16, 16:47 Water, Rowdy. Build near water. At least at first. I lucked out witha ready-made village on the edge of lake, near another lake. I only had two sides to protect. Also, the sooner you can get a bed made and not give them time to mess about, the better. "...A smell of Petroleum prevails throughout..."
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drewprops Space Pirate Join Date: May 2004 Location: Atlanta	2011-09-16, 18:10 Couldn't we bank AppleNovaLand for a week and do multiplayer together on Turtle's machine? Nobody build anything they can't leave later? Couldn't we????! COME ON!!! ...
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Bryson Rocket Surgeon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Canadark	2011-09-16, 18:17 And, gulp, have an adventure! No permanent structures that we don't find ready made. Just exploring and fighting nasties. Sounds cool to me. No Bukkit would mean no warping, though, so no easy way to catch up with the gang. "...A smell of Petroleum prevails throughout..."
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Brad Selfish Heathen administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Zone of Pain	2011-09-16, 18:36 Sure, what the heck. Barring objections, I'll probably pull the switch when I get back later tonight (probably a couple of hours).
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Bryson Rocket Surgeon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Canadark	2011-09-16, 19:39 With a fresh, random seed? Sweeeeeet....
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