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Senator Joe Biden ( eight Democrats) | 0 | 0% | |
Senator Hillary Clinton | 12 | 13.64% | |
Senator Christopher Dodd | 0 | 0% | |
Former Senator John Edwards | 4 | 4.55% | |
Former Senator Mike Gravel | 0 | 0% | |
Representative Dennis Kucinich | 7 | 7.95% | |
Senator Barack Obama | 25 | 28.41% | |
Governor Bill Richardson | 1 | 1.14% | |
Senator Sam Brownback (ten Republicans) | 0 | 0% | |
Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City | 7 | 7.95% | |
Mike Huckabee, former Governor of Arkansas | 5 | 5.68% | |
Representative Duncan Hunter | 0 | 0% | |
Dr. Alan Keyes | 0 | 0% | |
Senator John McCain | 3 | 3.41% | |
Representative Ron Paul | 19 | 21.59% | |
Mitt Romney, former Governor of Massachusetts | 2 | 2.27% | |
Representative Tom Tancredo | 1 | 1.14% | |
Fred Thompson, former senator of Tennessee | 2 | 2.27% | |
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What I've heard is that partial birth abortion is only ever used if there are health consequences for the mother anyway, and that only a tiny fraction of abortions (less than a fifth of a percent) are done in this manner. In that way, a ban "except to save the life of the mother" really doesn't do anything. In fact, I disagree with that ban because some doctors may refuse to perform the procedure if the mother isn't at risk of dying but could still suffer health consequences.
Really though, it should be a non-issue. The ban affects so few people that it seems to be a lot of hype over nothing. And I don't think any doctor would be willing to perform such an abortion for a mother who simply waited too long but has no medical issues. |
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If you're going to bother posting a voting history, you might as well do the whole thing, rather than the pieces that support what you're saying while leaving out the ones that don't.
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Erm, I didn't do that at all. I highlighted two: the ones I thought warranted. I wasn't trying to skew anything. I didn't leave the rest out to hide them.
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Ha ha, my bad. I think we were looking at different lists.
I had seen the full list from somewhere else. See what political threads do? You start assuming the worst about people. Google is your frenemy. Caveat Emptor - Latin for tough titty I tend to interpret things in the way that's most hilarious to me |
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No, see, I did omit the items outside of the two I highlighted. But I didn't do so out of any nefarious or malicious purpose to mislead people or badmouth Ron Paul.
In retrospect, I should have either posted the whole list, or simply added "[..]" marks to be clearer about that. Sorry for the confusion. All I wanted to point out is that, as far as I can tell, not all of Ron's votes regarding abortion followed libertarian motivations of keeping such decisions out of the government. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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If the actual election is going to turn out as civil as you guys, I'm going to stop drinking.
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Actually every vote regarding transporting a minor to get an abortion is an attempt by the federal govt. to circumvent state policies and restrict abortions.
Some states required you be over a certain age or you'd need parental consent. Other states would let you get an abortion w/o consent. (Say at 16) He voted against making it a crime for a minor to drive from one state to another in order to get an abortion if she chose, rather than making it a crime to try and circumvent state policies on the issue. (which were more permissive than what the fed folks wanted) Many of the others were budget based. The only real vote against abortion would be the partial-birth/late term abortions, which would line up his opinion with about 80% - 90% of the US population. Google is your frenemy. Caveat Emptor - Latin for tough titty I tend to interpret things in the way that's most hilarious to me |
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Without lauding or lamenting people's motives, I just want to say this: I'm happy to see that Ron Paul and Obama are the two leading in these polls. They're the two people I respect for their approach to politics, even if I may disagree on certain issues.
Unfortunately, the cynic in me doesn't believe we'll see either of them as options at the 2008 national election; I fear they'll both be culled in the preliminaries. Stupid two-party system. EDIT: So I took the SelectSmart quiz, just to see if its results agreed with my opinions, and they nailed me to a tee:
I don't know who Kent McManigal is, but with a supposedly-suspended campaign, I don't suppose it matters much. I really hope either Obama or Paul make it through the primaries, but I'm just too cynical to believe we---as a country---have the collective wisdom needed to put moderates on the ballot. Apparently I call the cops when I see people litter. Last edited by ShadowOfGed : 2007-10-16 at 17:50. Reason: Interesting poll results. |
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The beauty of this political jabber is that it will all be over soon.
I personally love differing opinions. Although that whole "porch monkey" thing might be a bit out dated? I agree with ShadowOfGed: MORE BEER! Ron Paul for president. And to hell with that other thing! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Tori as a black man I do not consider it racist. It is not at all limited to blacks, whites, purples, blues, reds, or yellows. I realize it may be construed as a racial term but that is incorrect. Beggars and laziness know not of color. Sorry if that offended anyone. I meant no harm.
And that is why they're called opinions in regards to your post. Clearly, we believe things should be done differently. ...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics... |
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Investigations are underway to try and solve this dilemma once and for all.
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Now this is just my opinion, but abortion in general must be legal because the mother's body is hers and she can't be obligated to support a growing child inside her if she doesn't want to. If the child is removed then it will not live. But when during a partial birth abortion the child is already capable of life independent of the mother, and it could allowed to be born as easily as can be killed, I think the situation is no longer clear cut. Both "viability" and "birth" seem like well enough defined conditions that you can draw the line there. |
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
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For some reason Ron Paul seems to be quite popular on the Internet. I can't help wonder if he's some sort of Howard Dean thing, though.
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I'm just going to jump in here.
I posted a few pages back that I support Ron Paul. This is *not* because I'm anti-welfare or anything like that, I just don't think the *Federal* government is capable of providing this care as well as the states. I do believe states should work on providing these sorts of programs in a way that best suits their citizens. I just don't think the Feds can do it well. Another case is education. NCLB has brought us standardized tests that do very little to improve absolutely anything. Yes, states require their own versions of these tests, but adding in another layer of bureaucracy doesn't help matters. Leave stuff like this to the *states*, IMO. And that's why I support Ron Paul. (Well, there are other reasons, but this seems to be what's being debated right now) |
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Colbert for president! He has decided to run! Who would have thought!?
CNN's write-up is hilarious. And Colbert is my new hero: "[It]'s clear that the voters are desperate for a white, male, middle-aged, Jesus-trumpeting alternative." |
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I take that Colbert was in cahoots with Robin Williams all along, then?
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Aaaaaaand, on that note.
Back to the subject. Ron Paul 2008! |
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I'd rather discuss beer. There's tons and tons of stereotypes when it comes to people who drink beer.
Start your next post with "Real men only drink". |
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You can scratch Senator Sam Brownback off the list.
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