[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by Robo Well, I'm glad you removed "I respect you and everybody else besides Jordan" when you edited this post, because I honestly don't believe you respect anybody. I've simply never read anything that suggested that you did to the slightest.

I don't think you understand respect. I don't think you have any sense of who any of us are in any context beyond these words. You have never actually sat down to consider that I actually exist, and maintain relationships, friendships and interactions with all sorts of people. Science is a social endeavor; part of the reason why I do it. So to be fair to your utterly lacking thoughts on this: bullshit. You don't know me. You cannot even pretend to know me. Oh sure, you have a fuzzy playful image of me (709 has me with mole-eyes), but what you read here and how I interact with the people here has as much to do with the medium and who they present themselves to be here.

You're right, "sociopath" is a much better word for you.

Quite. Only, I would never be identified as one in any rigorous psychological test. I have a profound sense of the value of truth above all else. I am frankly too honest. This is a major impediment to being an actual sociopath. My approach to honesty borders on religious fervor, and can be quite grueling to deal with, I am sure. The constant testing behaviors coupled with how I actually live on a day to day basis puts me in the schizoid camp -- hell, I even have the unloving childhood thought to contribute to such behaviors. But you know what, I don't care about how I am perceived and that is what bothers people. I simply do not care, like, at all. It's ok. I know that many people have fears over the public's perception of them (hell people care about how they look), but that isn't a part of me. It will never be a part of me.

You could change if you wanted to. You just don't want to, either because you've convinced yourself that people taking issues with your personality is everybody else's problem, or because you've convinced yourself that it's your lack of empathy that makes you superior to everyone else. Personally, I think it's a bit of both.

You have said this multiple times. I don't lack empathy. I really truly don't. There's a difference between holding the value of truth over that of the immediate emotional response of another person and lacking empathy. I know that my words can cause anguish. I write them anyway because the truth will set you free so to speak. When the choice is between what I perceive to be truth and the other person's emotional well being, I go with the truth -- it is a flaw, perhaps, but it is one of the things that defines me.

I don't feel superior to others. I don't believe myself to be superior to others. It bothers me immensely when people suggest that I do or am. I have a well-developed ego, but I am not particularly arrogant. I am aware of my faults, hell I discuss them openly on this fucking forum, and these faults have and will continue to come in the way of my life's development. But to suggest that I feel myself to be particularly superior to others is anathema to my ethical core.

[709]

2 weeks is too long. I don't know who came up with that random amount, but it's wrong. bobsky has been more helpful than detrimental in the scheme of things (across every world, mind you), so at the very least I'd urge that sentence to be cut in half if not more.

I wasn't there that night and have no access to the transcripts, but I can't believe is was egregious enough to earn a half-month ban. That's just ridiculous.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by billybobsky I don't think you understand respect. I don't think you have any sense of who any of us are in any context beyond these words. You have never actually sat down to consider that I actually exist, and maintain relationships, friendships and interactions with all sorts of people. Science is a social endeavor; part of the reason why I do it. So to be fair to your utterly lacking thoughts on this: bullshit. You don't know me. You cannot even pretend to know me. Oh sure, you have a fuzzy playful image of me (709 has me with mole-eyes), but what you read here and how I interact with the people here has as much to do with the medium and who they present themselves to be here.

Which is why I said I've never read anything to suggest that you respected anyone. Which is the truth. You say you value the truth above all else, right? Don't get upset when people give it to you, then.

Originally Posted by billybobsky But you know what, I don't care about how I am perceived and that is what bothers people.

It's actually you being a jerk, coupled with not caring that people think you're a jerk, that bothers people.

Originally Posted by billybobsky You have said this multiple times. I don't lack empathy. I really truly don't. There's a difference between holding the value of truth over that of the immediate emotional response of another person and lacking empathy. I know that my words can cause anguish. I write them anyway because the truth will set you free so to speak. When the choice is between what I perceive to be truth and the other person's emotional well being, I go with the truth -- it is a flaw, perhaps, but it is one of the things that defines me. I don't feel superior to others. I don't believe myself to be superior to others. It bothers me immensely when people suggest that I do or am. I have a well-developed ego, but I am not particularly arrogant. I am aware of my faults, hell I discuss them openly on this fucking forum, and these faults have and will continue to come in the way of my life's development. But to suggest that I feel myself to be particularly superior to others is anathema to my ethical core.

You may think so, but actions speak louder than words. Now I'm thinking you just aren't self-aware. You know. To be truthful.

[709]

Originally Posted by billybobsky I don't feel superior to others. I don't believe myself to be superior to others. It bothers me immensely when people suggest that I do or am.

To be fair, that's utter crap. A large part of why I like you is your sense of being superior to others and will say so unabashed. Don't go all soft on me now.

Bringing up RC threads in the general populous is a no-no though. That's a bad.

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by Robo Excuse me? Bringing that up here is totally inappropriate and I think you know that.

I am not sure it is so clearly inappropriate, but have removed reference because you feel betrayed (i recommend changing your own post). It was the most recent 'public' example of something you have expressed concern about in people's perception of you. If you would have had me delete it, I would have but then you go ahead and quote the damn thing, so disingenuous much?

And to think, you were puzzled/upset when I tweeted that you were the reason I didn't want to post about sensitive issues any more. I do so once more, against my better judgement, and you end up using it as ammo in an argument in a totally inappropriate forum. Thanks for that. (And you wonder why I feel like you don't respect me, and you want me to give you the benefit of the doubt in the future?)

Ammo? I am not fighting with you Jack. Really I am not. This discussion is so far afield from where this thread started and you have no one to blame for that but yourself. You wanted to talk about me. Fine. We did so. Don't start complaining at me when I cite relevant known data about yourself.

In any event, the point was relevant to the discussion of me that you created and how I unlike you (citation needed) don't give a shit how I am perceived. I have now changed the post to reflect your and grey's protest.

You may think so, but actions speak louder than words. Now I'm thinking you just aren't self-aware. You know. To be truthful.

Skynet has yet to become self-aware.

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by 709 To be fair, that's utter crap. A large part of why I like you is your sense of being superior to others and will say so unabashed. Don't go all soft on me now. Bringing up RC threads in the general populous is a no-no though. That's a bad.

I think there's a difference between thinking one's opinions and thoughts to be better supported and more *insert subjective phrase here* than believing oneself to be superior. It may be a fine point, but it is an important one to me. I am owed and deserve nothing even though my opinions and thoughts are more refined (this is not stated as a fact, just a hypothetical) because I am not superior. See my point? (Of course you do).

[709]

I understand the differentiation, of course. But that's you in any sense that I've ever known you. You've always taken (and given) credit where due, and to try and peel the credit layer apart from yourself seems a little disingenuous, and somehow avoiding something I'm not entirely sure why you would.

You're obviously talented in your field, so, say you come across something that would shower you with accolades. You're not going to take credit? "My ego (Freudian) would like to thank you all for this honor."

There is no magic that absolves you from becoming a conglomerate of what you think yourself is and what your mind actually is. It just isn't so, and trying to separate the two is sticky, at best.



Regardless. 2 weeks is too fucking long. It feels random and stupid.

[Elysium]

Oh for f*ck sakes people... Disclaimer: In no place do I intend these to be ad hominem attacks, so don't take anything out of context.

Alright let's deal with the principal parts of the matter.

I'm a scientist, similar to BB although in a different field. I can understand the way he interacts with others with respect to his "truthiness". I've met people with more and less the same level of tact. He has opinions and he expresses them. I myself put being truthful over seeing myself as false or as a hypocrite. I may not be as vocal as BB about my opinions as I have developed a sort of "f*ck em" mode, but I respect the right he has to say them.

To RS, I left that night before the major meltdown that is leading to this airing of dirty laundry. Like 709 I don't have transcripts to read to know what was said or the progress of events leading up to the escalation. I will say this I respect you as well with your opinions on life and hockey (even if the Leafs suck ). But the big brother act for Robo with BB just seems over the top with me. TPing to a person in order to make sure they can be punished is just, well... lame. This nonsense with BB is just that, ridiculous.

Robo, you are as unique person that I have talked to. At times you can be over the top, but I tune it out, I screen it. You are overly sensitive at times though. If someone says something about you that you find offensive, then f*ck 'em. You are you and nobody can take that away from you. You don't need people "sticking up" for you and creating this mess. Stand up in the first place tell BB to piss off and we don't have RS trying to stick up for you and the needless escalation of punishment. I can probably say that BB may retract your "asshattery" if you call him to the carpet in the first place.

Turtle, I think you, your wife, and daughter are integral parts of our community. I appreciate that you let us move on to your server for better service in which to enjoy our world. I feel that each of you gives back to the community at large in your own way. Back in the old world it was nice to wander away from downtown BP with all of us contributing to the town with separate areas for our own individual establishments. The key was that all of us were outside of vicinity of town to give each other some space. We did this in BP, Sedona, and Loch Green. Small establishments are the key around town in TerraNova. We took this new world as a new step in city planning with many players in order to get it right from the beginning. The biggest crux of people's complaints is the Mrs_T's castle and the ever present expansion of the compound. This behavior was fine in BP in Turtle Ranch and Turtle Park. It's just too close in the new world. However, the castle and to a lesser extent the Sartor shop dominate the skyline in the NW quarter of the new town and people are put off from building there. I love Mrs T's creativity and her joy in the game, however these structures where they are currently located don't work. Sorry. Maybe slightly north near the lighthouse and the cactus house may have worked better, but the fact of the matter is that something large and dominant was constructed without community input for the aesthetics of town.

Creative mode vs survival is a non issue. To each their own.

I may have overstepped myself in building my tower where it is, and am willing to cut out some height for the greater good now that I have established a foothold in the western snow biome. You are all creative and unique individuals and I appreciate working with you. Everybody has had something to add to the community to make it a better place. I don't feel that a 2 week ban is justified for BB, because it doesn't prove anything other than we have some serious issues to work out. I feel we are better served to hash them out both here and in MC and as such need BB around.

So come on people, band together.

[turtle]

Originally Posted by Elysium ... Turtle, I think you, your wife, and daughter are integral parts of our community. I appreciate that you let us move on to your server for better service in which to enjoy our world. I feel that each of you gives back to the community at large in your own way. Back in the old world it was nice to wander away from downtown BP with all of us contributing to the town with separate areas for our own individual establishments. The key was that all of us were outside of vicinity of town to give each other some space. We did this in BP, Sedona, and Loch Green. Small establishments are the key around town in TerraNova. We took this new world as a new step in city planning with many players in order to get it right from the beginning. The biggest crux of people's complaints is the Mrs_T's castle and the ever present expansion of the compound. This behavior was fine in BP in Turtle Ranch and Turtle Park. It's just too close in the new world. However, the castle and to a lesser extent the Sartor shop dominate the skyline in the NW quarter of the new town and people are put off from building there. I love Mrs T's creativity and her joy in the game, however these structures where they are currently located don't work. Sorry. Maybe slightly north near the lighthouse and the cactus house may have worked better, but the fact of the matter is that something large and dominant was constructed without community input for the aesthetics of town.

Well said. As I said in my previous post, if it is really that much of a problem I will move the structures that need to move. Sadly, Mrs T actually built the castle with all of you in mind. Her idea was to give a nice grand structure to the community. At this point, it's her structure and I'm not really planning to move it. I'm open to options for what needs to be moved however. The castle isn't' actually blocking anyone's view because of the slope of the land behind it. There will be no gain if it's removed due to the slope of the land.

... I don't feel that a 2 week ban is justified for BB, because it doesn't prove anything other than we have some serious issues to work out. I feel we are better served to hash them out both here and in MC and as such need BB around.

I didn't make those choices on my own and I did consult all individuals before enacting the final decision on the ban time. Both of the server admins gave input on this. Yes I banned quick off the start, but lifted it when I realized I was reacting without hearing from all sides. I PM'ed those involved and did what was needed.

So come on people, band together.

Yeah, this would be nice. The server used to be a nice place until it became a place of hostility and discontent. Not much fun to play on right now either. Sad really, I love this game and enjoy most of the players on here.

[709]

You need to move the castle, the lapis thing and the gold temple North of the lighthouse. The "discontent" you mention is in no small part related to you and your placing shit with no regard for the community. Have your "creative mode" area, fine, just not near town.

The slope argument is bullshit, and everyone here knows that.


The server in general used to be a nice place. Then we moved to yours and you felt like it gave you carte blanche to do anything you wanted to. We should probably rethink that imo.

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by turtle Well said. As I said in my previous post, if it is really that much of a problem I will move the structures that need to move. Sadly, Mrs T actually built the castle with all of you in mind. Her idea was to give a nice grand structure to the community. At this point, it's her structure and I'm not really planning to move it. I'm open to options for what needs to be moved however. The castle isn't' actually blocking anyone's view because of the slope of the land behind it. There will be no gain if it's removed due to the slope of the land.

On the contrary, the castle is very much blocking a view of *anything but the castle*. I guess the discussions in the chats and in the other threads isn't getting through to you two, or perhaps you'd rather ignore it but I will make it plain: the castle is ugly. it is big and ugly and this ugliness dominates the skyline. it doesn't matter that there is a hill behind it. a bare hill would be better than the big ugly castle.

Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate the sentiment of a grand structure for the community, though I do find it convenient that no one was asked whether it would be ok to build a giant monotone ugliness next to the center of town, but the sentiment is nice. However, its like a fruitcake no one asked for. The gift needs to be returned. Hell, it can be moved. It would be better appreciated at a distance, a far far distance. Just to be clear: Mrs. Turtle is perfectly capable of building beautiful structures. Her Loch Greene house was great. The light house is awesome. Sans culturally deaf overtones the house of the risen son is well put together. She just failed with the castle and the sartorial shoppe. Completely. I cannot make it more clear than that. Grey's wish list is indeed shared by almost everyone I have had the chance to engage on this issue. He was honest with you. Just go with that.

I didn't make those choices on my own and I did consult all individuals before enacting the final decision on the ban time.

Oh but you did. Do not push the ban time decision on either RS or Brad. You made the final call, you said it yourself. Own it. Be your own man.

Both of the server admins gave input on this.

You mean the one that set fire to my atoll was given input? How rich. I like Brad. I like you. But conflict of interest and hypocrisy alarms are blaring. Loudly. Be your own man, turtle.

I PM'ed those involved and did what was needed.

Not sure I agree. What is the point of punishment? You either feel it allows for a bad actor to contemplate what they did and 'realize their wrong' or you use it as a threat to further bad acts by other people.

Let's take point 1. If I was in the same situation would I have acted differently? Perhaps, but not because I think what I did was unjustified but because I think everyone who acted 'wrongly' in the situation isn't getting the same 'contemplation' time they need to. Brad and RS should also have been banned. But you know, they worked the system (you turtle, you're the system, Be your own man, turtle) better than I. I thought honesty would be appreciated, but instead lies were. That's is excellent. I know what you prefer, now, turtle. Lies. Good to know. Rethinking that whole 'I like you' thing... So really, this cannot possibly be it, because I would have half a mind to do it over again exactly the same way, just louder and with lies and exaggerations this time. Not the intention, I don't think.

Ok point 2. The punishment wasn't announced. Therefore this couldn't have been it.

So the punishment was completely random. The cited reasons in the PM are a hodgepodge of silliness. Lack of remorse, well duh the act was justified; loss of TONS of supplies (a lie/exaggeration by rs), etc etc.

But as I have stated, I don't care. The 'punishment' lets turtle get on his hobby horse. Brad and RS get to feel righteous indignation. And if they are satisfied with it, then so be it. My life isn't minecraft. It's just a game, after all.

Yeah, this would be nice. The server used to be a nice place until it became a place of hostility and discontent. Not much fun to play on right now either. Sad really, I love this game and enjoy most of the players on here.

I wonder if that has anything to do with the overtly visible abuses of admin privileges near the center of town. Nah. Couldn't be that.

[billybobsky]

Let me just briefly comment on timing: you probably won't be seeing me much at all on the server any more after the ban expires. I am, after all, moving to England. Still hard to wrap my mind around, to be honest. But the deadline for that is rapidly approaching and then I will be on GMT (EST+5) so no more nightly sorties during the week. You'll be lucky to see my on after 5 pm EST. And this is IF i get internet in my apartment in short order and IF i find playing alone on a server with no one else tolerable.

If the server doesn't blow up in a mysterious conflagration of personalities while I am not even on (how strange would that be, huh), then maybe I will see y'all on weekends...

[drewprops]

Okay.
I love you all, but I can't join you on this stupid argument over pixels, when the real conflict is about personalities.
I've thought about it and I've thought about it and the deal is,


ON "THE BRUCE INCIDENT"

I like Bruce.

Bruce is a troll.

Bruce has told you over and over that he's a troll. Made it clear.

Troll. Troll. Troll.

Rowdy and Brad stirred up the troll with an in-game attack.

You didn't use your words, you picked up a stick. FIRST.

I see little difference between that and Bruce's response.

Brad and Rowdy should both be banned for a period equal to that of Bruce.

I'm quite serious: there's no equity in what you've done to the troll.

Turtle, I'm officially calling for an appeal on the 2 week ban.

It stinks.

Dellphi tried to blow up one of those thingies with TNT 3 times and it wouldn't blow up.

It's a chore for him to type a lot, but maybe he'll come on and mention that.

Anyway: I'm seriously calling for that appeal.




ON "TURTLELAND"

Yeah, the castle isn't very pretty. I'm not a fan. Wish it was somewhere else.

BUT I like Turtle and Mrs. T a LOT and it's nice to have her in-game.

So I moved.

Wow, problem solved.

We have this great thing called "Teleportation" that lets us go all over the darned place.

Instant elbow room.

But Turtle, that whole "slope" argument is poop. And I know poop.



SHUT THE FUCK UP AND HAVE FUN

I honestly thought this whole thing was a joke at first.

Why not tell me that it was. Everybody go in game and play.

Shut the fuck up with your stupid hard feelings.

Go into a dungeon with the guy you've got a beef with.

Do some stuff together and pull your various panties out of your various cracks.

I have pirating to do, you junior high school pussies*







...



*since Murbot isn't in-game to impart this important bit of advice

[709]

Agreed. Either remove the ban or expand the ban to cover all parties involved in the attacks.

The issue of Turtle and his thinking that he's above all community guidelines is a problem, and one that should be addressed as a community. That he makes up stupid excuses leads me to believe he knows that he's in the wrong, but we either have to explicitly say that everyone has to follow the guidelines or no one has to follow them.

I'd prefer the former on both counts, but that's just me.

[709]

Can we move all of this shit to a different thread? Like, MC: The Incident? The Guideline thread is polluted.

[drewprops]

May I come visit y'all?


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[709]

Where the fuck is Brad, btw?

I haven't even seen his new hairdo in person.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by 709 Where the fuck is Brad, btw? I haven't even seen his new hairdo in person.

He should log on.

If you're reading this Brad, WE MISS YOU <3 <3

His hair is Groosetastic, by the way.

[Brad]

Until last night, I've been too busy IRL for the last several days to patrol the forums (save for an occasional quick check over lunch) and hadn't logged a minute in the game. It sounds like 709's complaint about turtle's old land grab is being addressed. So, I'll throw in my two cents on "THE BRUCE INCIDENT" as Drew calls is.

Bobsky was verbally abusing Robo (not the first time) during a lighting storm. I jolted him as a "sign from god" to give it a rest. Setting fire to anything was unintentional (and wholly unexpected given that the Bukkit weather wand plugin is configured to not start fires) and, if I had know, I would have help with repairs. That should have been the end of it. Instead, Bobsky decided to turn reactionary and bring malicious "retribution" on RowdyScot by igniting TNT in his house and then acting (at first) as though he did nothing. To further mar his record, Bobsky then posted private, personal details in this thread as an ad hom attack on the other players. These comments have since been edited out, and I didn't see them first-hand, but I've a good enough description of them from different people to know that it was inexcusably out of line. Even if Bobsky's in-game actions weren't enough to enact the ban, and I say they were, the followup actions on the forums would have pushed the decision over the edge.

Our Minecraft server is not an island; it is an extension of the community we have here on these forums. Our Minecraft server is a private server, and the ability to join the game is not a "right" but a privilege of good behavior and being a community member in good standing. Yes, we have some non-forum members on the game server, but they are only allowed to participate by virtue of other forum members having vouched for them, and by extension the forum members have taken responsibility for the visiting players' in-game actions.

I do intend to enforce that membership policy, but we haven't needed to until now. Anyone who disagrees strongly with that is free to leave the game.

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by Brad To further mar his record, Bobsky then posted private, personal details in this thread as an ad hom attack on the other players. These comments have since been edited out, and I didn't see them first-hand, but I've a good enough description of them from different people to know that it was inexcusably out of line.

Seriously? An ad-hom? That's not what it was at all. I wasn't attacking robo AT ALL.

For fuck's sake. This is ridiculous. I should have left the comments in. I am getting tarred for statements that the tar-er didn't even read. Ask Grey, who did in fact see them, if they even rise close to the level of an ad hom.

Regardless of whether they were an ad hom or not, your very signature suggests we have the ability to adjust our posts for editing. It seems more than hypocritical to 'punish' me for choosing to edit a single parenthetical reference to a single comment made elsewhere, which was used in point of fact to contrast myself to the person I was responding to.

I can, in fact, read when my presence isn't wanted.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by billybobsky It seems more than hypocritical to 'punish' me for choosing to edit a single parenthetical reference to a single comment made elsewhere, which was used in point of fact to contrast myself to the person I was responding to.

Oh, for fucks sake. Editing posts for quality and thoughtful discussion is different than bringing up private shit, then deleting it only after grey (not me) protests. In any case, you're not being "punished" for editing out the private shit. Are you really this dense?

Your "single parenthetical reference" was in fact two rather direct references; after I protested that your bringing up of private shit was inappropriate, you brought it up again, in further detail, to "defend" your bringing it up. And I don't get why you keep on mentioning that bringing up private shit was somehow necessary to provide contrast for your argument or whatever. It's missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter why you really wanted to post Private Shit.™ You crossed a line by posting it.

(I'm pretty sure Brad can still read it if he wants to, anyway.)

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by Robo Oh, for fucks sake. Editing posts for quality and thoughtful discussion is different than bringing up private shit, then deleting it only after grey (not me) protests. In any case, you're not being "punished" for editing out the private shit. Are you really this dense?

Yes, Jack, I really am that dense because I have found that arguing personality traits, like say my denseness or lack of empathy or what have you, isn't at all an ad hom, because that would just be too much.

You seem to not follow the logic of brad's post to which I was replying. His statement was even IF my in game actions didn't push me into banned territory, my comments (referring here directly to my SINGLE statement of fact about you) certainly put me over the edge. Therefore, I am being 'punished' (look at those beautiful quotes) for an ad hom that wasn't an ad hom that he didn't even read, in brad's mind at least.

So no, Jack, I am not that dense, but someone else seems to be.

Your "single parenthetical reference" was in fact two rather direct references; after I protested that your bringing up of private shit was inappropriate, you brought it up again, in further detail, to "defend" your bringing it up. And I don't get why you keep on mentioning that bringing up private shit was somehow necessary to provide contrast for your argument or whatever. It's missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter why you really wanted to post Private Shit.™ You crossed a line by posting it. (I'm pretty sure Brad can still read it if he wants to, anyway.)

Look. I acceded the point to both you and grey and took away the so called private shit. In my response to YOUR post which wholly quoted my reference, of course I went into details because YOU did as a response. That's all been deleted so who the fuck cares?

I acceded that the info, because of its private nature shouldn't have been used. It ISN'T being used.

So really. Are you having fun? Because I am not.

The continuing exaggerations of how much verbal abuse I was dishing out is simply absurd. I called you an asshat something like 10 times over the course of a couple of minutes. How many words haven't been spared in casting me as some utter villain in all of this. I explained myself to you. I gave you as much benefit as that. I was irked by your dismissive (uh, ok Bruce) responses to what I said. And as far as I was concerned that was it.

But no. Not for you. Never for you.



The fire started on my atoll was real. It was the result of zealous actions by Brad and RS. Brad and RS have clearly not 'learned' the inappropriateness of physically destroying property (even accidentally) as a result of their zealotry. They manage to find excuses for their actions, which I must mirror out of self-preservation, so why should I even bother playing a game with one admin who believes himself to be above the rules of the community and the other who believes their actions are almost always seemingly 'ok', even when they clearly aren't.

[billybobsky]

To end this once and for all: I have deleted the copies of minecraft on my computers so I will never be tempted to play again.

The atoll is Grey's now, including all of the supplies in it and he can do with those what he wants. No one else is allowed to do anything with it.

So enjoy the game boys.

As I said, I can read when I am not wanted. I do not have the energy or time to argue with Robo, RS, Brad and turtle over the appropriateness of all of this. I simply cannot be bothered. You win. Congrats!

[Robo]

Originally Posted by billybobsky The continuing exaggerations of how much verbal abuse I was dishing out is simply absurd. I called you an asshat something like 10 times over the course of a couple of minutes.

Did you read what you just wrote?

Originally Posted by billybobsky I was irked by your dismissive (uh, ok Bruce) responses to what I said.

What the hell did you expect me to say? "Yes, Bruce, I agree that I'm an asshat"? I did exactly what one is supposed to do when someone is being "trolled." I didn't confront you about it. I didn't argue back. I just let it go. I dismissed it. But by your own admission it was me letting it go that "irked" you. You wanted people to confront you about it. You demanded conflict, and now you're trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim when a conflict ensued? Stop it.

[drewprops]

Super, Bruce.
This was obviously a logical, non-emotional way of resolving the issue.
Brad & Turtle's solution wasn't great, either.
We all lose.


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[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by Robo Did you read what you just wrote? What the hell did you expect me to say? "Yes, Bruce, I agree that I'm an asshat"? I did exactly what one is supposed to do when someone is being "trolled." I didn't confront you about it. I didn't argue back. I just let it go. I dismissed it. But by your own admission it was me letting it go that "irked" you. You wanted people to confront you about it. You demanded conflict, and now you're trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim when a conflict ensued? Stop it.

I am not painting myself as a victim. But nor should you. The entire stupidity started when you mocked (trolled) Brad for failing to be timely with his goodbye. I called you on it in chat. You 'dismissed' me. Brad and RS decided to strike me with lightning escalating the response. It set fire to my atoll. I set off a piece of tnt in RS's kitchen. It was done, until turtle got involved and decided punishment was in order.

That is the unadorned truth.

[billybobsky]

Originally Posted by drewprops Super, Bruce. This was obviously a logical, non-emotional way of resolving the issue. Brad & Turtle's solution wasn't great, either. We all lose. ...

No. I think there are winners here. I think they know who they are and should have nice senses of satisfaction. At least someone is getting something out this. Me staying in game wasn't going to get anyone anything.

[Elysium]

Simple truth here:

Two contrasting personalities clashed in game. Several idiotic incidents played out in ever escalating order. We've now lost one of the veteran, prolific community builders and have created enough of a shitstorm to turn off those on the sidelines.

Nobody is covering themselves in any glory here, and the point needs to be dropped for a while instead of constantly trying to get the last word in.

[drewprops]

Bruce, I've attempted to defend your retaliation in part as a tit-for-tat action, but the maddening circular gabbing in this thread about what was surely a junior high school conversation in-game is hanging you with your own rope.

I know the people in this game.

I know what to expect of them.

Robo is chatty.
Rowdy can be prickly if confronted with unexpected situations.
Grey loves Minecraft and the community of building things.
Drew is random.
Mrs. T likes pretty things and is scared of monsters.
Brad builds Lego buildings and plays demi-god.
T likes to adventure and build things and takes care of his family.
Box of Jason... well hell, I don't know what he does.
Dellphi builds things quietly and lets everyone blather.
....and the rest....


and when these people are being themselves and it irritates me, I go do something of my own and ignore them.

I don't know what Robo said, but you were being a DICKHEAD for badgering him about it... even if he was being a dickhead for doing whatever he was originally saying. What good is it to go after people about blather, anyway? It's just chit chat, people talking.

I know that your arguments in this thread have been driven by a feeling that you were treated unjustly, and you were.

You were.

Brad and Rowdy should have received punishment too.

They did not.

I'd have kept playing and just not interacted with them anymore.


I am honestly and very sincerely going to miss you in the game, but it sounds like you've made your petulant decision.

Brad is giving Turtle solidarity on the 2 week ban, that's obvious and unfortunate that we as part of the gaming community couldn't have discussed how to punish folks.

That rankles me and several others.

A lot.

I'd like to hear Brad respond to this.


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[Robo]

Originally Posted by billybobsky I am not painting myself as a victim. But nor should you.

What did I do, again?

Originally Posted by billybobsky The entire stupidity started when you mocked (trolled) Brad for failing to be timing with his goodbye.

No, bobsky, I'm pretty sure the "stupidity" started when you repeatedly called me an asshat for what everybody else understood to be a harmless joke. Nobody else thought my joke (presented here, for the record, in its entirety: "oh, too slow / waaaah waaaaaah!") was out of line — not even Brad, who was the "target" of it.

I'll be blunt, since you dislike tact: I don't think you really get jokes. Like, in general. I think you have trouble understanding when people are joking and when people are being genuinely mean. This isn't the first time you've read too much into one of my jokes, or taken them seriously. Based on your behavior in the days leading up to the incident, I think you disliked me beforehand, and I think this colored your perception of my joke/asshattery. I have good friends who have serious problems reading people's intentions, but they acknowledge this and try not to fly off the handle all the time. If they did, they'd be unbearable.

I think there's an established pattern of you overreacting here, just like you overreacted when people told you your "Tim Cook bored Steve Jobs to death" joke was in poor taste, and just like you overreacted when I tweeted that I didn't want to post personal stuff here any more because of you (which turned out to be prescient).

Originally Posted by billybobsky I called you on it in chat.

If you were trying to "call" me on it, as you put it, you didn't do a very good job, because you just kept saying I was an asshat, and nobody knew why. Since, y'know, nobody else thought I had done anything wrong in the slightest. You just repeatedly called me an asshat for reasons that only made sense inside your head.