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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
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Space Pirate
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I just didn't think about it. The older I get the more blown away I am by how many opportunities there are to make money by developing niche software. ... |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Here are some recent attempts of mine to Star Wars Clone Wars-ify the main Star Trek captains.
Unfortunately, through this exercise I've learned first-hand the lesson of how these models have (hopefully unintentional) biases due to the many thousands of barely-tagged images sourced from all across the internet. Black men appear to be very poorly represented in the main SD model, and I've really struggled to make a Sisko who looks anything like the man himself. I've run through lots of different inputs, and I've discarded tons of ugly and weird and malformed outputs trying to make him look good. Picard, by contrast, was pretty much perfect with the first few tries. Let this be a reminder to everyone! Your output is only as good as the input when it comes to these highly-trained systems, and that is especially true for the original data used for the training. The data in these recent models are fine for making faces if you only want very famous people, white men, or sexy ladies. Kirk Picard Janeway Sisko The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Representation comes slowly. These are terrific!
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Because I clearly have nothing better to do on a holiday weekend, I spent all day yesterday trying to train a stable diffusion textual inversion for Star Trek's Worf and use it to generate images in his likeness. I think I, uhh, well I'm not exactly sure where things went wrong.
It could be that I over-trained my model on his distinctly Klingon forehead ridges. It could be that the base SD model has no flipping clue what to do with his forehead since the many thousands of photos of normal humans it was trained on have smooth heads. I tried an absurd number of prompts and generated over 600 images, and I never quite got what I was looking for. Maybe I'll experiment with this idea again some other holiday weekend. Meanwhile, please enjoy this giant collage of some of the "best" results I hand-picked from the lot. By contrast, once again, Sir Patrick Stewart was super easy to synthesize. It only took a few minutes to crank out some original studio portrait masterpiece shots like these. I've also been on a kick putting famous folks into colorful clothes and sweaters, or putting them on stage performing standup comedy. Did you know that Queen Elizabeth regularly performed at clubs since she was a young woman? Who's going to dispute this impeccable evidence? #totallynotfakenews Note that the system often can't make sense of Trump's ridiculous comb-over. Every once in a while I got these hilarious interpretations of it. I swear it came up with those hairdos on its own. It also sometimes struggles to give Trump a not-melting/exploding/horrific face (none of this included here) presumably because so many photos over the years show him shouting angrily with his mouth wide open. (I'm putting the images in the next post so this one doesn't get whacked out horizontal scrolling from their bigliness.) The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Scroll to the right! Lots of examples.
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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OMG I definitely want in on this technology. I have been playing with Midjourney and I want more control, but training the AI seems to be the key and it sounds like you need a blue million photo references?
EDIT: Worf of the Thousand Ridges ... |
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Selfish Heathen
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1. the quality of the pictures with some variety (different angles, backgrounds, clothes, facial expressions) 2. good textual descriptions associated with each picture 3. a lot of patience (and willingness to throw it all away and start over when it fails) I was struggling to train/build the TI file on my own system. So, I used free credits on a Google Colab server to crunch the numbers. It took three and a half hours to process twelve 512x512 pictures, and I had to keep poking things on the page every few minutes to make sure it didn't think I was "idle" and shut itself down because their free credits are not intended for long-running, unattended jobs like this. Yes. It took 3.5 hours to make a 4 kilobyte file. The maths are weird. In hindsight, I think I framed my images too closely on his face, and I didn't provide enough detailed descriptions for them. If I do this again (and I probably will), I'll try to run it all locally so I can let it crunch overnight worry-free. I think Chewbacca-Worf near the center might be my favorite unexpected reject. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Also, since more and more apps are being released to extend the accessibility of SD tools to non-programmers, I'm moving this thread over to General Discussion…
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Thanks for the context.
I hope that everyone has seen the "Start Wars" and "Stop Wars" AI photo sets that display a wildly, strangely dreamlike vintage take on the Star Wars film production. Versions of Chewbacca that bend your brain because they DO kind of look like Chewie but look NOTHING LIKE HIM. R2-D2s of all styles, many with AT-AT like legs. Steampunk-ish versions of other characters. Every new image is wilder than the next. INSANELY addictive to view. The kind of thing that we value when they spring from the minds of artists and jarring to encounter as a result of "steered chaos". I would love to take a bunch of photos of Captain Drew and push them into a place where I could see him in a wild array of situations, but I do not have the time in my life to learn this level of technology and my ego isn't as big as his, to chase that down. So I did stir and stir on one an architectural model in Midjourney, marveling at how it came together and FINALLY found one that was gorgeous enough that I paid for an account so that I could justify using it as a cover for a book that I didn't even have an outline for.... but it would be so cool. Investment and interest in this technological arena is ONLY GOING TO GET LARGER. It is marvelously fascinating, and I am sad that I am not able to just stop everything and pour myself into it. Of course, in 10 years the AIs won't need my help anymore ... |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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I for one haven't seen those! Got some links handy for us rubes?
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Oh goodness.
I am nearly asleep and can only provide Facebook links right now. Here is the alternate version of Labyrinth: https://www.facebook.com/groups/offi...ibextid=S66gvF Start War 1922 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...ibextid=ncKXMA And Stop Wars https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...ibextid=qC1gEa ... |
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¡Damned!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory
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I see Mario's probably got a side gig going on over at Chippendales! Hilarity.
I really have to find time to play more with these tools – some of those Midjourney posts are absolutely mind-blowing. A Metropolis and Hellraiser mashup? Yes please. So it goes. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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I'm kinda sorta trying to make modern Disney/Dreamworks/Fox 3D animation style versions of the main Smash Bros roster. These are the cherry-picked best of the best, standing on the shoulders of dozens of garbage results. Some of these are a lot harder to coerce than you'd think. I couldn't get Samus to have cartoony/3D face despite tons of different prompt adjustments. I haven't included any Zelda or Peach attempts because their outputs so far looked nothing like them.
These are all just the plain outputs straight from the machine, too. If you put a little time into retouching and compositing in Photoshop, generated images like these would look even more amazing. Mario or Luigi (Super Mario Bros) Samus Aran (Super Metroid) Pikachu (Pokemon) Yoshi (Super Mario series) Ryu (Street Fighter) Three types of Link! regular adult Link (Legend of Zelda) super buff child Link (Legend of Zelda) super buff adult Link (Legend of Zelda) The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Maxed out my budget with Midjourney for the month
Elvis as Tutankhamun ... |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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Nice.
Is Midjourney still just accessible via a Discord bot? I think I joined their Discord a while back, but I didn't like having to fiddle with the bot in public. I've joined several Discords trying to find better models and embeddings and to learn some tips and tricks along the way, and boy oh boy there is no shortage of NSFW content being created in there. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Space Pirate
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Yes, it's on Discord.
When you join you have no other option but to work in public rooms. Once you reach the end of the your public trial you can opt to pay for more. At that point you can converse directly with the Bot. Where is the NSFW content being created? It isn't possible with Midjourney, unless I'm missing something!!! ... |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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If you run stable diffusion on your local system, the sky's the limit. The official Stable Diffusion models 1.5 and older are completely unfiltered, having been trained on everything from the LAION 5B data set. The official Stable Diffusion 2.0 model is much better for general use, but the authors went to great lengths to remove a lot of material from its training set. Models using or based on 2.0 have far fewer famous people/celebrities and have been stripped of many "styles" based on specific artist names. I wouldn't be surprised if they also removed some NSFW content or keywords. It's no secret that they're trying to "legitimize" their models and are trying to position it in a way that appears to sidesteps some potential copyright concerns.
But the official SD models aren't the only models. People are already training new models from scratch or have retrained the original SD models using additional content, almost all of which fall into that very grey copyright legality. I've seen models trained on specific niche content like Disney screenshots, Fortnite characters, and Pokemon pixel art to whole catalogs of images from ArtStation, DeviantArt, and the very NSFW Danbooru. If you're running your own software, you can download and use and mix any of these models together for interesting results. There are over a thousand "diffuser" models currently hosted on Hugging Face (https://huggingface.co/models?library=diffusers), but a model is just a big file that can be hosted and shared anywhere else more privately. So, some forums and Discords privately distribute models, and some require paid memberships through services like Patreon. It's safe to assume that Midjourney is also running its own custom model. It's hard to know if they based in on an older version of SD or trained it from scratch, but they clearly aren't interested in sharing their secret sauce recipe. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Selfish Heathen
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Also, if you're curious about what's in LAION 5B, they have a demo site where you can search for the original images associated with the data. This can help creators with prompt engineering since some words (especially fictional universe or technical things) may have no images or may have little representation in the training data.
https://rom1504.github.io/clip-retrieval/ The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Space Pirate
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Location: Atlanta
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Renaissance Era Starfleet Juggling Academy
I'm getting better at this. https://imgur.com/a/jkd7sq4 ... |
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Space Pirate
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Location: Atlanta
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I need to stop sharing my fun experiments on Facebook, as there are too many people who are objecting to the fundamental technology itself and are laying into me with great and profound judgment.
I'm trying to understand this technology, as it directly affects my livelihood. Might as well have some fun along the way. ... |
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Space Pirate
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pirates drinking beer on surface of the moon renaissance festival with dark starry sky and planet earth looming in background, bright stars, steampunk lunar rover, cinematic, action, movement
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Selfish Heathen
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Make it so. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Space Pirate
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Location: Atlanta
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Here's something that I wrote for my friends a few days ago about AI - I was all wound up and winging it, but that's where I was:
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