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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-21, 10:47

I realize this isn't everyone's preferred model, but for those of us not interested in dropping $699+ on a phone, this little $400 bastard is our saving grace (and the only thing keeping us in the iPhone camp).

I'm hearing some chatter (rumor sites) on an upcoming 2022 model. 3-4 stories in just the past 48 hours, so that's interesting.

The gist: same body style as the current one, but the stories differ on whether it'll use the current top-of-the-line A14 (found in the iPhone 12 line) or the upcoming A15 that should be in the new iPhones coming this fall.

This new SE is slated for a first-half of 2022 release (all the articles agreed on this). Whether it's January 12 or May 28, who knows?

Screen is to stay the same 4.7" (and that's fine) and it will have 5G (which matters absolutely zero to me, as I barely use my iPhone on cellular at this point, and certainly not for heavy gulping of media/data...I "sip" when I'm not on Wifi.

So more of a under-the-hood update, according to the articles at MacRumors and AppleInsider. And that's fine. For $399, folks are happy with "good enough" and within a generation, processor-wise, of the flagships.

I will admit that I kinda assumed, by now, that a third-generation iPhone SE coming in 2022 would finally move to a full-face design (minus the fancy material, multiple cameras, OLED, stylish color options, etc.). But it sounds like we're simply in for a Rev. B of the current SE...processor bump + 5G. It may take a fourth-generation SE, come 2025 or so , before they start to look like the full-face flagships.

In any case, this can be the go-to iPhone SE (third-generation/2022) thread, for those interested (Capella, etc.).
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kscherer
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2021-07-21, 11:03

Hopefully, they'll ditch the Home button. At this point, I just don't like that thing any longer. I'd be OK with it having TouchID (moving up top like the iPad Air), but just make the Home Button go away, already.

The entirety of Apple's product line needs some consistency. What with TouchID and FaceID, Home button and not Home button, Touch Bar and not Touch Bar, System Preferences or Settings (). Just make the whole fool line consistent. Customers are getting lost!

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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-21, 12:11

I’ve been saying that for years. They’ve had all this time to do this on some glaring, long-standing stuff. And every fall, upon installing the newest iOS and macOS, it’s still there.

There needs to be a Department of Obvious Shit within Apple, whose only job is to clean up these odd mismatched and discrepancies.

Going from a Mac to an iOS device - or vice versa - should be as seamless as possible. And that applies to what things are called. People shouldn’t spend one second having to think on any of that stuff.
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2021-07-21, 12:11

I keep hearing that they are killing the mini but I hope that means they are making the mini the new SE body. I would have a hard time not buying that one.

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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-21, 13:01

I know they'll never put the SE on a yearly schedule (they don't need to), but I would love to see a new one every two years, maybe in the spring? Even if it's using the same body, at least give the processor/storage/camera any needed-after-two-years tweaks.

At least then, like the fall flagship models, people would know "okay, there will be a new SE in about five months...I'll just sit tight". Right now it's so random, it's the one iPhone you can't plan a purchase on/around. I remember that second-generation model just popped up out of nowhere one morning. Anyone who'd just bought the three-year-old first-generation model a month earlier had to be feeling that one.

"Guys, throw me a bone here...I would've waited another 30 days if I had any idea a larger model with a four-generation newer processor was looming!"

Putting these things on a predictable cycle, even 24 months apart, would be nice. Flagship iPhones every autumn, the affordable SE every other spring (with the processor from the previous fall's iPhone release, since it has to go two full years with it.

Fall 2021: iPhone 13 with A15
Spring 2022: iPhone SE third-generation with A15
Fall 2022: iPhone 14 with A16
Spring 2023: N/A *crickets*
Fall 2023: iPhone 15 with A17
Spring 2024: iPhone SE fourth-generation with A17

...and so on.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

And while $399 isn't $699+ flagship prices, it could be a fairly reliable, predictable purchase pattern that Apple could count on.

I could totally get on board that. I'd happily shell out $399 every other April/May to have an iPhone that current/capable (and predictable in its release; just drop $20 into a dedicated "iPhone fund" cookie jar every month, and in two years there's about $480 cash available*, enough for the phone, sales tax and any accessory I may want. Sell my previous model and put that money in the jar to prime the pot for the next go around, making it to where maybe I just had to put in $10/month?

I could spend the rest of my life doing that, and have a paid-for iPhone never more than two years/one processor generation old.



*I'm kinda big on paying cash as I go for anything I can. I'm not going to charge a $400 phone or put it on monthly installments with AT&T and bloat my monthly bill...I'll save, do a few freelance gigs, mow an extra yard or three, etc. and just buy it outright, cash. I sleep better, and enjoy the lowest possible monthly bill possible.

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turtle
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2021-07-21, 13:26

Isn't the SE now about the price the original iPhone was after it was initially reduced? I seem to recall it starting at $500 (with subsidies) and then they dropped it to $400 IIRC.

Now the SE has no subsidies and is still that price. Pretty good if you asked me.

I also wouldn't mind seeing a schedule like that. Seems like they would use a generation behind on the CPU though. So A14 when the current iPhone has the A15. Sure it means down the line you would get an SE with A14 while the current iPhone is A17 but who knows the logic.

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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-21, 14:07

I don’t have a single complaint or wish-list item re: the SE except for the erratic, unpredictable release pattern. If they’d settle on something that would be really nice.

Right now, both SE releases have come in the spring and sported the same processors found in the flagship releases just 6-8 months earlier (A9 in 2016, from the fall 2015 iPhone 6s, and A13 in 2020, from the fall 2019 iPhone 11).

That’s pretty awesome.

If that pattern maintains, then the 2022 SE should get whatever’s going into the upcoming iPhone 13(?) lineup this fall (A15, I assume).

And that’s good because they’ve already shown they like to let the SE go for more than a year with no updates, so it would be nice if it got the fastest available, knowing it might have to do for 2-3 years.
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kieran
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2021-07-21, 14:24

I'm seriously considering the mini if they keep it upgraded with the new iPhones in September.

I really like the size and with going out of the house more often next year, it'll be nice to have a decent sized phone ago.

I have the 12 Pro now and would definitely appreciate a decrease in size.
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2021-07-21, 14:57

I’m leaning towards an SE next time I upgrade my phone. Getting tired of shelling out $1399+ tax for the entry level flagship phone. Always buy the phone outright. I’d much rather have FaceID than Touch ID for for my phone though l, so I guess a flagship is still a must. This XS should hold out for another year or two, so no need to rush.
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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-21, 15:21

If my first-generation SE can hold out for five-plus years (and going...I got it in April 2016), then your Xs should do just fine.
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2021-07-21, 19:13

My 6s didn’t hold out, battery bulging killed it after 3 1/2 years. The battery in the Xs is still 89% capacity after two years, so it should be good. We shall see.
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2021-07-22, 03:38

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Originally Posted by kscherer View Post
Hopefully, they'll ditch the Home button. At this point, I just don't like that thing any longer. I'd be OK with it having TouchID (moving up top like the iPad Air), but just make the Home Button go away, already.

The entirety of Apple's product line needs some consistency. What with TouchID and FaceID, Home button and not Home button, Touch Bar and not Touch Bar, System Preferences or Settings (). Just make the whole fool line consistent. Customers are getting lost!
It's odd that they haven't renamed System Preferences yet (though I'm not a big fan of the name "Settings", but it is a lot shorter…).

It's also odd, given that they did figure out how to do Touch ID wirelessly on the iMac keyboard, that they didn't do a kitchen-sink high-end Apple Touch Bar Keyboard. Just $799. There's got to be an internal battle going on as to whether they want to ditch it.
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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-23, 12:16

Yeah, stuff like that should be a quick, easy fix. More people(?) are on iPhones and iPads than Macs, so I think the wording used on the iOS stuff should be used. It is shorter and it's what more of the world seems to think of as the place to go to tweak all your...well, settings.

System Preferences just seems like an unnecessary mouthful.

Anytime I'm doing the "phone support" thing to a fairly new Mac-using relative or family friend, and I'm telling them to go to System Preferences, it's always followed by me saying "it'll be the icon in your dock with the gears...".

"Oh, you mean like the settings on my iPhone?"

"Exactly."

"Well, why isn't it called 'Settings' on my Mac?"

"I have no idea, but it's basically the same thing."

"That makes no sense...I thought Apple was better about this kind of shit?"

"You're right on both. What can I say?"



That one silly little difference adds an extra, unnecessary, 5-6 sentence exchange/detour from the task at hand...every single time.

Fix this, Apple. At this point, it's goofy to have both. I know the Mac's history is longer/more established, but I also think, in 2021, most people are more comfortable/familiar with iPhone/iOS conventions. And if it makes sense to reflect that on the Mac, then you should do so. Settings...same icon/purpose on both devices, Mac and iPhone.

Duh.

No reason these should both be named differently at this point, IMO.
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2021-07-23, 15:36

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I know the Mac's history is longer/more established
And, heck, it kind of isn't.

It's only "System Preferences" in Mac OS X, so since 2001. Before that, it was "Control Panels" (and in extremely early Mac OS, just the singular "Control Panel").

And iPhone launched in 2007 (though arguably it didn't take the world by storm until around 2010). So, there weren't really that many years where "System Preferences" was Apple's predominant nomenclature.
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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-23, 16:15

Even more reason to just adopt "Settings" across the board. I know it would eliminate that particular bit of conversation I have with folks.
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2021-07-23, 17:58

Blow 'em both up and go with "Controls" – sounds more machiney and less like I'm deciding where to put the salad fork.
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Mr. Katan
 
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2021-07-23, 18:51

Just about anything is more gooder than System Preferences.

And when iOS 15 and Big Sur hit in a few months, none of this will be done. Just watch.
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