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kieran
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2021-01-25, 10:32

The Rocketeer has always been one of my favorites. Don't see it mentioned nearly anywhere when talking about movies and most people don't seem to know about it.

I just love the time period that it is set it, so that's the biggest thing it's got going for it in my opinion.

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2021-01-25, 11:29

It is a perfect little slice of entertainment. Action, thrills, sweet, funny, watchable by anyone, etc.

I saw it at the theater on a whim in 1991 (had no idea what it was about but I thought the poster and trailer looked great)...sometimes that’s all it takes.

Yeah, it’s this weird little under-the-radar sleeper for many. I’ve never understood why it isn’t mentioned in the same breaths as The Goonies, The Karate Kid, Back to the Future and other movies that are a nice blend of all the above traits.

It kinda came and went and made a mark on a few of us but not in the numbers it should’ve.

I’d say its setting/period might’ve worked against it, because some people are weird about seeing things set outside their own lifetime. But then how do you account for the success of things like the Indiana Jones movies, Titanic, Spielberg’s two big WWII-oriented movies, and even stuff like Gladiator (which I saw one time and could barely stand it and remember next-to-nothing about it now). I know, I know...spare me the outrage.

But I digress.

The Rocketeer.

Just a cool little movie that, for whatever reason(s), (not gritty or “deep” enough?) just never quite took off (no pun). It is indeed light, breezy and grim-free fare, with a bit of “aw shucks” camp to it, so a lot of people might not have taken it seriously, or just dismissed it as a simplistic “kid’s movie”? But so was Back to the Future, I thought. That was another “saw it once, and that was plenty” movie for me. It never made an impact on me and, as a result, I never saw the other two sequels.

Some things just connect, some don’t. Every time you think you’ve figured out why/why not, something comes along to prove you wrong (I shouldn’t have loved There Will Be Blood but I was mesmerized and really thought it was amazing). Go figure.


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2021-01-25, 19:45

Time for you to have a gander at "The Vast of Night"
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2021-01-25, 19:50

I've never even heard of this. Give me the three-sentence synopsis (I'm afraid to go prowling online because I'll have something spoiled).
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2021-01-25, 20:19

Sci-fi. Late 1950's late evening New Mexico teenage radio jockey and friend, a high-school girl, working as a night-time switchboard operator, start unraveling a curiosity in a town that could have been writ by Steven King in Stand by Me, and painted to period perfection by Steven Spielberg, maybe after both had a few drinks with with M. Night Shyalaman while watching the x-files and wondering what Scully was like in high-school.

Girl connects a call from a distressed town's woman and hears some strange signal noise through the radio. They start chasing the story...

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2021-01-25, 20:35

Ooh, I will track that down. Thanks!
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2021-02-02, 11:00

The Snyder Cut of Justice League is complete. At least we know March is going to be an interesting month to be online.
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2021-02-02, 11:45

I wonder how different - better? - it will truly be? I admit I’ll want to see it only because I can’t believe how bad Justice League was and I’d be supportive of any improvements/tweaks they could make.

My Mom has HBO Max through her AT&T phone plan or something like that, so I guess, come March, I’ll take advantage of that and plop myself at her house for about four hours on a rainy Saturday.

It will be interesting to see exactly what was done. Part of me knows already not to get too spun up and excited because I’ve seen plenty of Snyder movies that he did have full control and “vision” over, and none of those have exactly set the world on fire or impacted me in any real way.

But it doesn’t seem possible it could be any worse than the version that’s already out there, so...

If it’s just a bunch of tacked-on CGI/VFX sequences and little else, it won’t be worth all this work and wait, I’m afraid. The movie’s problem isn’t the lack of loud CGI spectacle, but, rather, an engaging, coherent story. Is that sort of thing fixable via editing, reshoots, enhanced sequences, additional CG/FX, sound and color-grading work, etc.?



I guess I’ll find out in about seven weeks.
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2021-02-02, 16:34

The article says it has 150 minutes of new footage.

If it strikes you that 150 minutes is the length of an entire movie, understand that this film is going to be four hours long.

I'm not even sure any major superhero franchise has seen anything like this. Watchmen didn't hit three hours.

Whether it's good or bad, it's going to be epic.
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2021-02-02, 17:04

I just think it's going to be an unholy slog.

The only four-hour movie I've ever sat through (multiple times, in fact) is Once Upon a Time in America. And as much as I love period gangster/crime stuff, even that was a chore.

Just based on the existing version, an additional 150 minutes (two-and-a-half hours!) of more of that isn't really lighting me up. Unless the entire thing is a top-to-bottom rework - plot, dialogue, etc. - I honestly can't imagine this being much.

It'll be an "epic" alright...an epic unwatchable turd on a stick if they're not careful.

I've been hearing about this for so long, I'm just glad it's finally going to be released at some point in my life.

I enjoyed Watchmen, but even a little of that goes a long way. That's been a two-watcher for me...once to take it all in, the second time to notice all the little things. After that I was like "cool...", but I was done. I do, however, still watch the opening credit sequence on YouTube about a dozen times a year, because that's one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen put on film.

I'll have to watch this, but man...two-and-a-half more hours of shaky acting and incoherent storyline is a tall order.

PS - Is this version what Snyder had intended all along before he had to go deal with the horrible situation with his daughter, or is this a response/reaction to the less-than reception and the other guy's mishandling of it all? How much of the theatrical release was Snyder? Did Whedon just come in to button things up and put out a finished film, or did he go and overhaul things and change the entire story/tone/approach Snyder had started? I've heard all kinds of stories, all over the place, but you never know which one is the truth in these situations.

If he pulls it out and this winds up being the movie it should've been (or that many of us hoped/assumed it was going to be), that's pretty awesome.

As I've written here before, however, I just don't understand how anyone - any director, writing team, studio, etc. - can botch a movie featuring the big-screen, live-action coming together of DC's biggest. As with the Star Wars sequels, you'd think this sort of stuff could almost write itself, and that any fool could put together an engaging, fun story - with all the elements present, just lying there to be used - and give fans what they've dreamed about for ages.

Nope.

This is kinda the last hurrah of the A-list/top-tier cinematic comic/superhero movie thing, though. The Marvel/Avengers thing is done, and this will be soon. When you've devoted over a decade to all the top draws (Superman, Ironman, Batman, Captain America, Wonder Woman, Thor, Flash, Hulk, etc.), that's what most mainstream, non-geek crowds are going to care about. These upcoming things, I just don't see any of them hitting big...both the characters and the actors involved just don't scream "major impact", as we've had from 2008-2019.

I know there's (yet another) Batman movie coming at some point (that release keeps shifting), but I think people are even a bit weary of that character at this point. Six actors, seven directors and 10 movies since 1989 (and that's not counting the TV, animation and video game output). If this upcoming one doesn't really make a mark, that's the last we'll see of the character for some time, I'm guessing. And maybe that's for the best? I think folks are superhero'd out, honestly. Especially if it isn't going to be any of the above, going forward, in any real way.

I'm eager to see what a four-hour Justice League movie will be like, though. It's either gonna redeem everything, or go down as one of the biggest Hollywood misfires ever. My money's on the latter, but I hope for the former.

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2021-02-02, 17:06

I grew up reading DC comics.

Most of their characters are one dimensional.

Sounds like four wasted hours.


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2021-02-02, 17:43

It is weird that it got greenlit. You would've thought the studio would've said "hey, you had your shot and this movie was released...we're not bankrolling anything, Zack...sorry".

He must've made one persuasive pitch!

But, yeah...I can't speak to the comics themselves much, but the various takes on these characters in the DCCU is just...off. None of them seem truly right in the part, with Superman and Flash being the two worse offenders.
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2021-02-02, 18:00

It also has to do with the obsession with going dark.

Serious is fine, but no-one in the Justice League has the fun in their role that Robert Downey Jr. seems to have had making Iron Man.

Tim Burton went dark, Christian Bale growled at us and Superman was moody and levelled a city in a bar fight with another Kryptonian. Even the Flash isn't funny and Green Lantern's AWOL. Wonder Woman has to carry the whole thing and her own movie just flopped.

Could we please have a Justice League where the main characters smile and like each other?
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2021-02-02, 18:07



Well said.

It was a grim bunch, and tough to buy into.

I wonder if Flash was supposed to fill that "quippy", Downey Jr./Stark slot, but, instead, he just came across as an annoying prick.

There isn't a single true note in either of those movies, Batman v Superman and Justice League. The seams show, the words seem written by writers and it's just visual bombast at the expense of all else.

If Snyder can somehow undo/turn that around, I'll be amazed! And quite impressed.

I know hindsight is easy, but I truly think DC would've been better off just doing their own thing and putting out standalone things. The minute they tried to out-Marvel Marvel, with a rushed, zero-context team-up right out of the gate (minus that initial Man of Steel movie), they were screwed. They should've resisted the urge to go that route, knowing they'd not built up enough momentum and "reasons" with anyone. A couple of Superman flicks, bring Wonder Woman to the big screen, hire a better Batman, etc. And then, 3-5 years on, if those movies had landed and made any sort of real impact, you talk about "do we bring them together...you know, a Justice League thing?"

Classic cart-before-the-horse move from DC, doing the complete opposite (an unearned team-up first, followed by standalone movies most people aren't going to care about because where's the investment?).

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2021-02-02, 18:21

I saw Flash Shazam! and Man of Steel. Haven't seen any other DC movie, and don't plan to. Man of Steel was dumb, and Flash Shazam! tripped all over it's silly humor. I caught the scene in Wonder Woman where Captain Kirk's airplane was shot down. It was just dumb, and I've never watched another minute of it.

I just can't get into any of it. It's all too busy trying to be Marvel and they have no direction, no humor, and no staying power. Unless you're a DC Comics fan (which I am not), there is nothing compelling in the entire franchise.

Marvel won everyone over with Iron Man and kept audiences engaged, but even they are trying too hard to shovel everything into 2 hours. It's all getting too busy and the stories are getting lost in the CG. The same thing happened with Transformers. Those guys banked a lot of money on a bunch of silly girl's ass-acting, and that also has no staying power. Not for me.

I'm finding less and less connection with the movies because Hollywood is nearly out of creativity and is relying too much on CG "acting" and boobs. And, while I like both, too much of it adds nothing to the story and it just becomes porn—CG or the other—and there are free ways to engage in either of those.

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2021-02-02, 18:29

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I saw Flash and Man of Steel. Haven't seen any other DC movie, and don't plan to. Man of Steel was dumb, and Flash tripped all over it's silly humor. I caught the scene in Wonder Woman where Captain Kirk's airplane was shot down. It was just dumb, and I've never watched another minute of it.
To my knowledge, there hasn't been a Flash movie yet. Isn't that slated for next year?
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To my knowledge, there hasn't been a Flash movie yet. Isn't that slated for next year?
I'm sorry. It was Shazam!
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2021-02-02, 18:59

Both red/yellow with a lightning bolt motif. Understandable.

Everyone involved denies it, but I'll bet everyone 28 donuts that, as we speak, they're trying to figure out a way to bring the upcoming Batman (Robert Pattinson) and Joaquin's weirdo Joker* (I finally sat through that overwrought hunk of shit) together at some point. Emo city.

"Who among us can cry the most, Bats?"

"Don't tempt me, you maniac...".



I can't wait to not see that movie!



*Apparently I've got some weird anti-Joker gene/wiring in me, to where I've not liked any big-screen portrayals (Nicholson, Ledger, Phoenix and Leto) and found the first three insanely overrated, and the fourth one a complete waste of time/film stock). Just not a Joker guy. *shrug*
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2021-02-02, 22:12

I know Batman and Superman are the duo DC likes to promote, but just retreading old ground is the problem.

A Batman/Shazam teamup could be hilarious.
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2021-02-02, 23:21

I'm convinced that a large part of the MCU's success comes down to Spidey and the X-Men being tied up in contracts at other studios, leaving Marvel/Disney with lesser-known characters. That gave them room to maneuver compared to yet-another-gritty-Batman take. Batman and Superman etc are just too well defined and nobody knows how to break that mold.

If WB was smart they'd ditch the Nolan-style Batman and reach all the way back to Adam West for inspiration. Throw someone like Will Arnett or Alec Baldwin in the role and just have fun with it.

If they made a Justice League universe that was all tongue-in-cheek camp humor I honestly think they'd have more success than the direction they're going now. Nobody wants to watch a wannabe MCU so go the other direction. Develop each character into something fun and lighthearted then work towards bringing them together in an all-star ensemble comedy.

Of course, knowing WB they probably think Two and a Half Men is the height of hilarity and would steal all the jokes from the CBS sitcom lineup, so I still don't think they could pull it off.

BUT if they had any guts they'd put Michael Schur in charge of the whole thing—he knows how to write a good story with a moral backbone that's still funny *and* engaging without pandering to the lowest common denominator in the audience.

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2021-02-02, 23:27

They've made all of those characters unlikeable as far as I'm concerned.

Even Marvel is stretching it to the point of exhaustion.



The other day we watched The Peanut Butter Falcon on Amazon Prime. One helluva great movie. Humor, loyalty, a compelling story with characters that were fun and believable (if not just a bit over the top). Seriously good on every level I can imagine. The movie is about a down syndrome person struggling to find himself, a basically homeless miss-fit struggling to find himself, and a lonely volunteer struggling to find herself. It was done in good taste, good humor, and all-around jolly good fun! A modern day Huck Finn-type adventure that was well-written, well-acted, and well-received by yours truly. I highly recommend it.

Enough of the CG lunacy; gimme some actually, I don't know, story-telling.

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They've made all of those characters unlikeable as far as I'm concerned.

Even Marvel is stretching it to the point of exhaustion.



The other day we watched The Peanut Butter Falcon on Amazon Prime. One helluva great movie. Humor, loyalty, a compelling story with characters that were fun and believable (if not just a bit over the top). Seriously good on every level I can imagine. The movie is about a down syndrome person struggling to find himself, a basically homeless miss-fit struggling to find himself, and a lonely volunteer struggling to find herself. It was done in good taste, good humor, and all-around jolly good fun! A modern day Huck Finn-type adventure that was well-written, well-acted, and well-received by yours truly. I highly recommend it.

Enough of the CG lunacy; gimme some actually, I don't know, story-telling.
That movie was great. A rare gem.
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2021-02-02, 23:39

One of my favorite movies ever, Glengarry Glen Ross, is just straightforward, two rooms/locations total, all-talk drama.

Any time I’m feeling CG/explosion/genre movie overload, I pop it in and watch those guys go to work.

“Oh, I’m gonna have your job, shithead!”

I know it springs from a play, so the stripped-down, limited locations, talk-heavy aspect is all baked in, but I love how the movie didn’t feel the need to “flesh it out” and basically just staged a two-act play and turned on some cameras.

If you ever need a Marvel/Star Wars/wizards-and-dragons/Fast &Furious/capes-and-boots palate cleanser, look no further. It’s the funniest, and saddest, movie I’ve ever seen.
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2021-02-14, 18:18

The Zack Snyder cut trailer is out.

It doesn't look all that different in tone to the original, so that's not encouraging.

Hard to see how this fixes/overwrites anything. Probably isn't meant to, but there's no way this is more coherent/enjoyable.

But I'll watch it, grudgingly, and see.

That end shot is obviously a dream. Has that same look as the others Batman has.

It still looks like a joyless mess-and-a-half. Did they just add another two hours of stuff that made the original such an unsatisfying slog? I sure hope not, but this trailer isn't convincing me otherwise.

This should've been one of the greatest superhero movies ever, just from the characters/scope involved. So weird that is...isn't.
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2021-02-15, 11:00

I'm not sure what to think of it either. I mean, it is still so dark that I'm having a hard time grabbing onto it. It is on my "to watch" list but only because I'm hopefully to some degree. Really, no but my kids want to watch it at least.

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2021-02-15, 11:20

The overall bombast and noise is what I never liked. It’s just so much, it just comes across as a video game or something not real or relatable.

Those big fight scenes are just so ridiculous and detached from “give a damn” scale. And they don’t really look all that convincing, which is odd with the budget/talent WB should have. Again, just a big, weird-looking video game where things don’t seem grounded or “there”. That rubbery softness sometimes seen in heavy CGI, the way people move, the way shadows and fabric look, etc. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a big, high-profile movie look so chintzy and thrown-together.

“Kill ‘em with spectacle, fellas...maybe they won’t notice the weirdo, incoherent plot!”

I can’t help but compare it to that big invasion scene in the first Avengers movie.

In that, you had a daytime fight set in New York City, a place we can recognize/relate to, involving people we’d had several movies to get to know/invest in.

“Ooh, I hope Black Widow, with her two pistols, doesn’t get hurt. She probably shouldn’t even be there! And her butt is just going to be an unneeded distraction.”

Sorry, but that was my exact thought, sitting in the theater in 2012...”she brought two cap guns to this thing?”

Contrast that to JL, in some nameless, already-destroyed location at night (or heavily clouded/shrouded as to appear to be nighttime) with a bunch of people who I, frankly, couldn’t give less of a damn about. If I could’ve seen what was going on, I still wouldn’t have cared. That’s an awful double-whammy, as a viewer, to be faced with.

And it’s so similar - our heroes fighting tons of monster-y looking foes - that it only plays up just how different the two are. Superman and Iron Man, the flying, quipping leaders. Batman and Captain America, the brawling tacticians. Aqua-Man and Thor, the otherworld gods with their old-timey weapon, etc. It’s DC trying their absolute hardest to out-Marvel Marvel, when they never should’ve attempted it in the first place, IMO. That kind of movie already existed...do something different, and cool in its own way that sets it apart.

But now, four hours’ worth of it, as though that’s something to applaud?!

I’ll watch this thing the same way I’d watch footage of a freight train speeding toward a gasoline tanker stranded on the tracks a mile away...you know what’s gonna happen, it’s gonna be loud and “big”, there won’t be much left when it’s over and the clean-up bill is going to be staggering. And, big picture, it never had to happen if a bit more care/planning upfront had been taken.

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2021-02-15, 13:16

Oh man, so we ARE all going to watch this thing??

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Apparently. Everyone's curious to see what all the extra footage/tweaking is all about (because I'm having a tough time imagining what those extra two-plus hours could be...more CGI bombast and three-point landings, I'm assuming ). But maybe they added some stuff that fleshes out the plot and clarifies a bunch of things. That could be cool/interesting, because the original movie seems to gloss over about 800 things.

Did they actually film new stuff, or is it all "cutting room floor" additions and re-editing/CGI/post-production work (new backgrounds, virtual sets, tweaked skylines and stuff like that)?

That Joker clip, with long-hair Leto, might be new/recent because he had a much shorter haircut in that Suicide Squad movie. But that's easily faked too, I guess (the long hair). Maybe that was filmed and just never made it to the theatrical cut. I have no idea what this is all about, other than it being Zack Snyder's, and not Joss Whedon's, version.

But even if that horrible thing had never happened to Snyder and his family, he wasn't looking to release a four-hour theatrical movie anyway, was he? Would they (WB, etc.) even go for that? It's tough to get folks to buy into even a three-hour popcorn movie. Or maybe the original plan was a two-parter to be split up into two smaller chapters (like those final two Avengers movies).

We should figure out some sort of group watch party (Zoom or something?). That would be fun/funny. MST3K, AN version.

I do watch/follow a few "reaction" channels on YouTube, so there are a few people I'm genuinely looking forward to their take on it. I like to see how others respond to these kinds of things as well. It's interesting to me how age/gender/background/neckbeard levels/geek bonafides/wine intake , etc. all play a factor.

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Oh man, so we ARE all going to watch this thing??

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Yes, we're decent people and will watch it once and give the film a fair chance.

And make sure you watch it well, because it's very, very likely we won't be watching it twice.
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