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InactionMan
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2004-06-08, 23:17

No, not than one.

We are right in the midst of a federal election here in the Great White North and it starting to look like the Conservatives may eek out of this with a minority government.
Luckily, a minority government has never lasted more than 18 months here so Steven Harper's Reign of Terror would be hopefully short lived.

I'm voting NDP all the way. Jack Layton was a kick-ass trouble maker in Toronto and I'm hoping he'll cause a good stink in Ottawa.

Anyway, fellow Canucks, any thoughts on our election or are we all to caught up in the American elections to think about our own?
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Wickers
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2004-06-08, 23:21

The election is less then a month before my 18th birthday. . .

But if I could vote, NDP would be my choice.

Just as long as the Liberals don't make it again... I'll be happy.
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InactionMan
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2004-06-08, 23:27

Well. at least if you could vote you wouldn't have wasted it. The first time I voted I was completley smashed (as I often was when I was that age)and I wasted my vote on the Gnu Rhino Reform Party. I thought it would be funny and at the time it really was. I couldn't stop cracking up while I was casting my ballot.

Oh! Misspent youth!
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2004-06-09, 09:38

Best of luck to you guys. I hope you elect someone who has the balls to publicly question the powers that be in Washington, should the powers that are remain intact (*shudder*).

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2004-06-09, 15:31

On the subject of wasted first votes, there were some pretty funny parties in the first A.C.T. government elections in 1989:

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Votes Percent of primary vote Party! Party! Party! 979 0.69 Abolish Self-Government Coalition 10641 7.50 No Self Government Party 16274 11.47 Sun-Ripened Warm Tomato Party 1666 1.17 Surprise Party 166 0.1
On preferences, the No Self Government Party actually got 3 members elected, and the ASGC got 1 member (in a 17-member Legislative assembly).
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Chinney
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2004-06-10, 20:50

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Best of luck to you guys. I hope you elect someone who has the balls to publicly question the powers that be in Washington, should the powers that are remain intact (*shudder*).

Unfortunately, it looks like that will not happen. Current trends indicate that we might elect a Conservative government, for the first time in quite a few years. (Put it this way, VVickes was about six years old, by my reckoning, when we last had a Conservative government. )

Actually, this is bad news, because the Conservatives have been taken over by their far-right wing. They are trying to portray themselves as moderates, but I don't trust them. Their new leader has been a committed ideological conservative in the past, and I don't think that he moderated at heart. Canadians mostly just want a change - because it is not a good idea to leave any one party in power for too long a time - but I think that we are going to get a surprising and unwelcome change with this particular lot.

When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray.
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Leonis
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2004-06-10, 22:30

I am no fan on any party but I have to say NDP (no matter it's provincial or federal) is FU(KING EVIL!

NDP has a very long record of being so extreme. Hate the riches, hate the corporation, love the unions, giving unlimited welfare money (MY TAX MONEY) to the lazy a$$.....

If Canada is ruled by this extreme lefty the country will be done in less than 3 years because there will be no more investment coming in Canada. All the money will be gone to unions and those lazy a$$.

Look at what the BC's and Ontario's NDPs did when they were in power - HUGE debts and businesses moving away. Ontario had to take over 5 years to get the economy back on track and BC now still is suffering.

Next year will be the election year for BC. Now NDP has the highest rate of support and looks like they will be back on power. If this happens I am going to ring the bell of death for the province and pack my stuff and move to Alberta.

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Wickers
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2004-06-10, 22:52

Well. . . .

This is my first year getting into politics, as in having an interest in them.
I am very right winged, or that's what the political spectrum test told me. And at the same time, I kind of like the NDP "image".

Back when the Canadian Alliance ran, I was boiling when the Liberals won again. I really wanted to see a semi-right winged party get in power. Now, with the new conservatives, I don't know what to think. I kinda find Stephen Harper to be creepy.

I'm still right winged, but I can't bring myself to back our only semi-right winged party.

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Leonis
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2004-06-11, 00:07

I too have some issue with Steve Harper. To me he's a kind of person who loves to sleep with George Bush.

I hate George Bush.

I am afraid if Conservative takes the power then we Canadians are going to smell Bush's ass until he's defeated by John Kerry.

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2004-06-11, 00:13

Liberal - Sponsorship Scandal <--- Makes me mad (about the tax I paid)

Conservative - Too pro US / Bush <--- Makes me sick

NDP - Extreme lefty philosphy (as I mentioned before) <--- Make me want to drop these guys a bomb


I don't think I am going to vote this time since I hate ALL parties.

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InactionMan
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2004-06-11, 05:57

I'm not voting for the Liberals but it has nothing to do with the Sponsorship Scandal because I don't think there was anything scandalous about it. Or, more apprapriatley, if there was it is a systemic problem that is not isolated to that particular program. I work for a government funded corporation and that is the way things are done. Seriously.



I fear Steven Harper and cannot believe that a third of the country would vote for him. I wouldn't care if the Cons won if either Tony Clemente or Belinda Stronach had won the leadership. Christ, the last Harper ad I saw had him once again railing on the Liberals for the Sponsorship Scandal and then declaring himself more accountable because he answers to "higher" standard. (It's early so I bit muddled but it came across like Bush's Goddy campaign.

The NDP are not that Left (not left enough for me, but no one is, not even the Green Party). And Jack Layton is not the average NDP that believes in killing the rich. Their economic platform is far more responsible than the Cons $27 billion tax cut plan. This is fucking Canada, I don't want tax cuts. I want social programs and health care.



Christ,, too early to try to write a post like this. I need more coffee. and more :smokey: :smokey:
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2004-06-11, 08:39

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I don't think I am going to vote this time since I hate ALL parties.
Can you do a write in vote? If so, please vote for me.
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2004-06-11, 10:35

I too think I would vote for Conservative if either Tony Clemente or Belinda Stronach was the party leader. But Steve Harper? No fu(king way.
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2004-06-19, 02:27

Well. After seeing the debate.....what a mess.

They are just like a bunch of bitches whining and screaming in a supermarket. Paul Martin was grumpy; Jack Layton is rude, interruptive and arrogant; That french guy (dont' remember his name, I don't care) talked nothing but Quebec; Steve Harper acted like a silent a$$hole.....

I am glad Jim Harris of the Green Party wasn't invited in this stupid, meaningless debate.

After this debate I have an clear idea on which party I am voting. Just like the comic from CBC - The Green. I kind of like their platform. Very refreshing.

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2004-06-19, 08:31

I wanted to see the debate, but I was busy that night. . .

I heard just what you said. Harper, silent. Layton, outspoken. Martin negitive.

Meh. . . now I am kinda glad I missed the vote by a few weeks. Gives me four years to think it over.

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InactionMan
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2004-06-22, 19:45

Looks like we're headed for a minority government. Which me thinks will be a good thing. Steven Harper (if he wins) will have about 12 months to prove to Canadians that he is a physcopath right-wing baby bush before the pressure will be on to call another election. If he fails it will essentially mark the end of the legitimate right-wing party in Canada. The Libs will be the new right. The Cons are at 35% right now and I don't think will ever see that high a number again for a right-wing party in Canada.

Oh, and that whole "Paul Martin loves Child Porn" thing was a really bad idea.
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Chinney
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2004-06-22, 20:28

The Globe and Mail Poll put the Conservatives at only 29% and the Liberals at 34%. My prediction is for a Liberal minority, and another election within 9 months.

I've got Ed Broadbent running for the NDP in my riding...and I'll be voting for him. I almost always vote for the NDP actually. As for the allegation that the NDP is fiscally irresponsible - that's just not true. The NDP government in Saskatchewan was the first in Canada to balance its budget in the '90s. Even in Ontario in the early 90s, the NDP, after one free-spending budget, became very responsible (remember 'Rae days'). The Left learned that you can't maintain gov't by bankrupting it. The Right also knows this, that's why they are being fiscally irresponsible - they want to destroy government finances. Witness what Bush is doing south of the border. And this is not just a conspiracy theory - there are some on the right, with connections to the Administration, who specifically acknowledge that this is a good idea.

When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray.

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Leonis
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2004-06-23, 01:15

I don't trust NDP at all. The BC NDP is a big poster child of what a real useless, corrupted government looks like when Glen Clark took over the party

1) Fast Ferries

2) Fake balanced budget to win the second term in power

3) Corporate/business capital tax. The more money you plan to pour in BC the more tax you are going to pay <--- Give me a fu(king break! We have to pay tax even before we start our business????

4) Created the highes deficit and debt in history due to reckless spending

5) Gave way too much power to those stupid unions

6) Anti-business tactic which threatened a lot of businesses out of the province......major reason why BC's economy sucks so badly

7) Providing unlimited welfare to those lazy people using the tax dollars paid by real hard working people. Which is crazy and unfair to the working people


I am no fan of the current provincial government (BC Liberals) because they are now acting like a dictator. But at least they are trying to get the province to back on track. I can't imagine what will happen if BC NDP wins the provincial election again next year. It will be disasterious.


Back to topic.....No matter who wins in next week's federal election, Liberal or Conservative. If the winner is forming a minority government that would be great. I don't want a country to be ruled by dictator. More voices needed to be heard in Ottawa

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2004-06-28, 20:06

Never Mind WWDC. It's federal election night here in Canada.

So far the Liberals are doing well in Atlantic Canada. Perhaps the Conservatives will not do as well as some had feared. That would be a relief.

When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray.
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2004-06-28, 22:13

Liberal Minority Government - but with enough NDP (i.e. "Labour") seats to allow them to form a formal or informal coalition.

Wow! I am sure that you are all as close to peeing your pants as I am. All of you people in the U.S, U.K., Australia, and Lutuvania are sitting on the edge of your seats, watching CBC - all of us - experiencing this together. One big world. One big mystical union. All focused here on the Great White North.

When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray.
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Leonis
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2004-06-28, 22:24

We are getting an ideal outcome.

Liberal minority


GREAT!


I first was very afraid the Tories will take over (even at minority). It it happened we would be kissking Bush's ass every second

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Wickers
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2004-06-29, 10:57

Grrr. . .

WTF was with all the last minute strategic voting? This pissed me off.
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InactionMan
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2004-06-29, 12:45

I'm not unhappy with the result, would've like to have seen the NDP get a few more seats. Right now the Liberal/NDP are one seat shy of a majority. Hopefully they'll grab one in one of the recounts. Thank God Steven Harper didn't win.
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Leonis
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2004-06-29, 20:49

Paul Martin said he's not going to form any kind of coalition with other parties. However, he said Liberal will be talking to other parties for support on case-by-case basis.

Me too I am glad Conservative didn't win.

A quote from one guy during the election special on CTV yesterday was really great

"Working with the devil you already know is better than the devil you don't know"

Stephen Harper is hinting he's going to resign as a party leader......

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Chinney
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2004-06-29, 21:13

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Stephen Harper is hinting he's going to resign as a party leader......
Shows you what sort of character he has. He just became leader the Alliance, and then the Conservatives and then, after just one election, where he did not quite as well as he would have wanted, he is already talking about resigning. Well then, I say resign now...with this sort of behaviour, and other high-handed actions - such as when he would not even retract his comments accusing Paul Martin of supporting (rather than just not being tough enough against) child pornography - he has shown himself to be the sort of guy who is just a bit too proud for his own good.

When there's an eel in the lake that's as long as a snake that's a moray.
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InactionMan
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2004-06-29, 22:04

He drove me nuts in that interview with Peter Manbridge when he was drilling him on the Child Porn press release and he just wouldn't budge on it. The best he got from him was, "well the wording of the title wasn't exactly what we intended...maybe some might take it the wrong way...but I stand by the fact that Paul Martin thinks raping children is okay..."

Is he a complete moron or were his campaign advisors the morons?

He's probably more pissed that Jack Layton ended up with more power in Parliament than he did than he is about losing to the Liberals.
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