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iCraig · 2006-12-31, 15:21

Well my nearly 3 year old eMac keeps crashing and it only started today. Its a 1GHz G4, with 512Mb RAM (the same ram has been in it for the 3 years too, 256Mb of Apple RAM and 256Mb of Crucial RAM) its got an 80Gb Maxtor HDD which according to the smart status is fine.

I've also run the hardware test cd and everything came back fine, but it keeps doing it. First time It kernel panicked with the usual grey screen with the writing in different languages but now it just black screens and refuses to do anything.

Does anyone have any ideas? Has it happened to anyone? Or what does it sound like to you? Please help as this thing is my baby, having owned it from new, I really don't wanna have to replace it! If I do god forbid it'd be replaced with a PC as I just can't afford a replacement Mac!

Schnauzer · 2006-12-31, 15:44

What mouse are you using?
http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=238061

then

http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewto...398187#2398187

iCraig · 2006-12-31, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schnauzer

What mouse are you using?
http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=238061

then

http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewto...398187#2398187

Am using the standard Apple mouse and keyboard, only non standard USB peripheral is a USB ADSL Modem that I've been using for over 2 years!

rob05au · 2007-01-01, 04:00

What apps are you running when it does it the most?

Also what system version are you running?

_Ω_ · 2007-01-01, 04:14

Do the crash logs point to anything?

iCraig · 2007-01-01, 05:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob05au

What apps are you running when it does it the most?

Also what system version are you running?

I'm running 10.4.8, (Also just done an archive install and it still keeps doing it). The last time it did it I was running BitRocket, iTunes and XChat-Aqua. And Safari.

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Ω_

Do the crash logs point to anything?

Can't see any thing inparticular.

FFL · 2007-01-01, 12:34

From the Genius Bar sticky at:
http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=24

Quote:

"Basic Troubleshooting" should consist of following the steps below first. Please make sure you've tried all these before starting a thread seeking help for general stability, startup, or performance issues. Details for each procedure listed can be found below.

Repairing permissions
Repairing your Hard Drive
Clearing the Caches
Resetting or "Zapping" the PRAM
Open Firmware & Resetting NVRAM
Rebuilding the Launch Services
Updating/redoing Application Prebinding
Safe Boot

If you've done ALL that and still have total system crashes, you might need to try to isolate any bad RAM.

Remove one stick and try running for a while and see if you crash. IF so, remove the other stick. You may also try swapping the RAM into a different slot.

With enough trial-and-error, you can determine if a specific stick, or specific slot, is bad.

iCraig · 2007-01-01, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by FFL

From the Genius Bar sticky at:
http://forums.applenova.com/showthread.php?t=24

If you've done ALL that and still have total system crashes, you might need to try to isolate any bad RAM.

Remove one stick and try running for a while and see if you crash. IF so, remove the other stick. You may also try swapping the RAM into a different slot.

With enough trial-and-error, you can determine if a specific stick, or specific slot, is bad.

Would it really be the RAM considering its been the same for the last 3 years without any trouble?

FFL · 2007-01-02, 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by iCraig

Would it really be the RAM considering its been the same for the last 3 years without any trouble?

It's not highly likely but it is definitely possible - I've seen it happen several times, with both Apple and 3rd party RAM.

Plus, it's a much easier test than a motherboard swap.

csb · 2007-01-02, 00:53

Swaping the Ram is worth a try i know when i first bought my Mac it worked fine for a while and then i started to get kernel panics, I read about swaping the ram in the ram slotsand have not had a problem since. its worth a try.

iCraig · 2007-01-02, 16:03

I think I just may have found the culprit(s), now just to work out how the hell to counteract it!

Code:

Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: ltMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost mDNSResponder-107.4 (May 4 2006 16: 34:29)[36]: starting Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: Apple Optical USB Mouse: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost memberd[43]: memberd starting up Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: Apple Optical USB Mouse: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost DirectoryService[54]: Launched version 2.1 (v353.2) Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: Apple Optical USB Mouse: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost lookupd[45]: lookupd (version 369.5) starting - Tue Jan 2 20:58:51 2007 Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: Apple Optical USB Mouse: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: Apple Optical USB Mouse: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: OHCI Root Hub Simulation: match category IODefaultMatchCategory exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:58:51 localhost kernel[0]: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, default to accept, logging disabled Jan 2 20:58:52 localhost kernel[0]: UniNEnet: Ethernet address 00:0a:95:ed:c8:58 Jan 2 20:58:52 localhost diskarbitrationd[42]: disk0s9 hfs 0311EA21-71E3-364F-875B-A3CEE75EEA10 Macintosh HD / Jan 2 20:58:52 localhost kernel[0]: AirPortPCI_MM: Ethernet address 00:0d:93:7e:3d:47 Jan 2 20:58:52 localhost launchd: Server 3b07 in bootstrap 1103 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd"[45]: exited abnormally: Hangup Jan 2 20:58:53 localhost lookupd[63]: lookupd (version 369.5) starting - Tue Jan 2 20:58:53 2007 Jan 2 20:58:54 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:58:56 localhost mDNSResponder: Adding browse domain local. Jan 2 20:58:59 localhost kernel[0]: ATY,Moonraker_A: vram [9c000000:02000000] Jan 2 20:58:59 localhost kernel[0]: ATY,Moonraker_B: vram [98000000:02000000] Jan 2 20:58:59 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:58:59 localhost /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow: Login Window Application Started Jan 2 20:59:00 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:59:00 localhost loginwindow[67]: Login Window Started Security Agent Jan 2 20:59:01 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:59:01 localhost kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:59:01 Craigs-Macintosh configd[40]: setting hostname to "Craigs-Macintosh.local" Jan 2 20:59:02 Craigs-Macintosh kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:59:02 Craigs-Macintosh kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists Jan 2 20:59:07 Craigs-Macintosh kernel[0]: IOResources: match category gwawusb exists

Schnauzer · 2007-01-02, 16:23

I was right! USB mouse

iCraig · 2007-01-02, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schnauzer

I was right! USB mouse

But this is an Apple mouse?

FFL · 2007-01-02, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by iCraig

But this is an Apple mouse?

Just like any other Apple part, an Apple mouse can "go bad" for no apparent reason.

Time to try another mouse for a while!

WrestleEwe · 2007-01-02, 20:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by FFL

Just like any other Apple part, an Apple mouse can "go bad" for no apparent reason.

Time to try another mouse for a while!

Are you serious??? A mouse that

a; breaks internally before the buttons/eye/wheel/ball/connector go bad?
b; completely crashed the system?

I can honestly say that I have never, ever, heard of that.

Wow.

edit; good idea though, about the changing of the mouse and all...

Schnauzer · 2007-01-05, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by WrestleEwe

Are you serious??? A mouse that

a; breaks internally before the buttons/eye/wheel/ball/connector go bad?
b; completely crashed the system?

I can honestly say that I have never, ever, heard of that.

Wow.

edit; good idea though, about the changing of the mouse and all...

plz read the links i posted at the top......

WrestleEwe · 2007-01-05, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schnauzer

plz read the links i posted at the top......

ah..

It seems to me now that the problem is not in the mouse, but in some borked USB drivers.

sorry.

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Schnauzer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona	2006-12-31, 15:44 What mouse are you using? http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=238061 then http://forum.americasarmy.com/viewto...398187#2398187 Last edited by Schnauzer : 2006-12-31 at 15:44. Reason: links installed, over
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rob05au Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	2007-01-01, 04:00 What apps are you running when it does it the most? Also what system version are you running?
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csb Member Join Date: Mar 2005	2007-01-02, 00:53 Swaping the Ram is worth a try i know when i first bought my Mac it worked fine for a while and then i started to get kernel panics, I read about swaping the ram in the ram slotsand have not had a problem since. its worth a try.
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Schnauzer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona	2007-01-02, 16:23 I was right! USB mouse
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