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View Poll Results: What options does a Dream Mac Pro offer?
Max 8-core i7 1 20.00%
Max 8-core i9 3 60.00%
Max RAM 64GB 3 60.00%
Max RAM 128GB 1 20.00%
Max 2 SSD modules 2 40.00%
Max 4 SSD modules 2 40.00%
2PCIe slots 3 60.00%
4PCIe slots 2 40.00%
Need more options, and I'll be happy to lay them out 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 5. You may not vote on this poll

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kscherer
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2019-06-05, 11:48

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Okay, so Frank777 thinks we need a petition to submit to Apple for a mid-range Mac Tower. What does that tower look like? Well, in terms of Jony Ive design-ness, who cares! it's a tower. Let them worry about the pretty.

If this petition is gonna work, some of you folks need to link to it from your Twitter/FB/SocialMediaAddictionofChoice accounts. Get on it!



I [we] think a base model should look like this:

6-core i7 w/HT @ 3.0+ GHz
16GB RAM
512GB storage on two 1.5GB/s modules for 3GB/s
Radeon Pro Vega [something v5.2.9]
4 USB 3.1 gen 2 ports
4 TB3 ports
Gigabit Ethernet



Options should look like this:

6-core i5; 8-core i7; 8-core i9

128GB max RAM across 4 DIMM slots

8TB max internal storage across 4 modules

2 PCIe slots with one 16x dual

Partridge In A Pear Tree

Base price $2499



If you would like to "sign" the petition, post the following in your remarks in font size 4, Bold, at the top of your post: Sign Me Up

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2019-06-07, 22:27

6-core HT i5 @ 3.0 GHz+ < No SKU from Intel matches this, there are no desktop i5s with Hyper-threading (7/8/9th gen). You'd have to go for a 8th gen i7 to get this (i7 8700), 9th Gen i7s no longer have HT, only i9s.
16GB RAM < Agreed, but this is Apple, it would ship with 8GB.
512GB storage on one 1.5GB/s module < Why so slow? Cheap NVMe drives are in the 2500MB/s write range.
Radeon Pro Vega 20 < Why a mobile GPU? This is a desktop, put in a bog standard Vega Radeon VII (has 16GB HBM2). Even better if they waited a few months for the next gen Navi AMD chips based on the 7nm process.
4 USB 3.0 ports < At the very least these should be USB 3.1 Gen 2
2 TB3 ports < Why just 2? Just do what they did with the Mac Mini, that has 4 type C ports. 8 ports (4 type A and 4 Type C would be great).
Gigabit Ethernet < I should hope so. That along with WIFI 6 would make it awesome.
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kscherer
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2019-06-07, 23:08

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6-core HT i5 @ 3.0 GHz+ < No SKU from Intel matches this, there are no desktop i5s with Hyper-threading (7/8/9th gen). You'd have to go for a 8th gen i7 to get this (i7 8700), 9th Gen i7s no longer have HT, only i9s.
16GB RAM < Agreed, but this is Apple, it would ship with 8GB.
512GB storage on one 1.5GB/s module < Why so slow? Cheap NVMe drives are in the 2500MB/s write range.
Radeon Pro Vega 20 < Why a mobile GPU? This is a desktop, put in a bog standard Vega Radeon VII (has 16GB HBM2). Even better if they waited a few months for the next gen Navi AMD chips based on the 7nm process.
4 USB 3.0 ports < At the very least these should be USB 3.1 Gen 2
2 TB3 ports < Why just 2? Just do what they did with the Mac Mini, that has 4 type C ports. 8 ports (4 type A and 4 Type C would be great).
Gigabit Ethernet < I should hope so. That along with WIFI 6 would make it awesome.
OK.

1) Not everyone needs processor speed. Some folks are just looking for a good file server. So a 6-core i5 with no hyper-threading is still viable as a base system. Edit: Ah, screw it. Let's demand a 6-core i7 at the base!

2) No, Apple would not (The iMac Pro and 2019 Mac Pro both start at 32GB). Not a Mac Pro tower at this time. Like the 15" MB Pro, it would have 16GB. Or, at the very least, the machine we are asking for would!

3) Good point. I've changed the base system to 512GB on two striped 1.5 GB/s modules (the iMac Pro uses this tech)

4) OK. I'll admit I don't follow the details that closely. We'll change it to just "Radeon Pro Vega" and hope for the best.

5) Sure

6) Sure

7) Sure (but WiFi 6? Let's wait and see on that one)

PB PM, you have good insight into this stuff and I appreciate your comments. Remember, we're looking for an actual, feasible mid-range Mac tower, not a do-it-yourself PC. We want to come up with something that Apple could [would] build and be bale to sell for $2500. Apple—not Alienware or Fugigugiwhatsamahugi.

And, can I add your name to the petition? If so, please read the instructions and follow.

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2019-06-08, 00:04

1. I wasn’t saying the CPU had to be fast, but you did stipulate a 3.0Ghz i5 with HT that doesn’t exist, so yeah. Nothing wrong with an i5 in a mid-range desktop, I’ve used i5 chips in my main machines for the last 9 years, only in my new desktop did I go for an i7.

2. Yeah, but those are “Pro” machines, this is mid-range. All Apples mid-range stuff ships with 8GB, this machine will basically be a headless iMac with expansion slots, like the lower spec’d Power Mac of the G4 era. User expandable, standard desktop DDR4 DIMMs. Four slots. $100 to upgrade to 16GB yourself after and skip the 100% inflation from Apple.

3. No solider storage, user expandable via industry standard M.2 slots, at least 2 4x slots. If it went PCI-E gen4 it could have more. No strips, no priority hardware R.A.I.D, just standard stuff.

4. WIFI 6 is the next gen stuff that is just starting to ship. AC is thankfully the last gen with random naming that makes no sense.

If it’s all fixed on typical Apple stuff there is no point in not getting an iMac, thus the emphasis on user upgradable parts.

I would sign up, but don’t use FB or Twitter (anymore)

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