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2009-10-20, 12:48

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From the tech specs page:

"Built-in 21.5-inch (viewable) or 27-inch (viewable) LED-backlit glossy widescreen TFT active-matrix liquid crystal display with IPS technology"

Not once does it describe the LED backlight or the IPS technology as being exclusive to the 27-incher. And considering literally every other screen Apple makes is LED backlit now, I think it's safe to assume that the brand-new 21.5-inch iMac is. Not that we need to assume, because it says it right there.
Hmm, I read that as a clever way of slipping in a low-quality screen on the cheaper model while making it sound like they are both good, but after rereading it, you're right, it looks like both screens are LED-backlit and use IPS.
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2009-10-20, 12:50

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Oh hush. What would you rather have "lacking" on the $1,199 model? Just 2GB of RAM? A crappy TN panel?

The $1,199 iMac is just fine the way it is. Compared to yesterday's model, it has double the RAM, a 400 MHz (!!!) faster processor, a much improved display, and IIRC 180GB more hard drive space, too. Plus a wireless keyboard and mouse - a Magic Mouse, no less - is standard.

I expected some of those things, but not all of them! But I suppose there will always be someone who "mehs" any updates...
I would rather not be ripped off, for something that would have cost them $20 more! Hardly enough for them to cut the RAM. I wouldn't mind having a 2.8Ghz CPU rather than a non-dedicated graphics card in a $1299 (Cdn) desktop. Not to meantion the ATI card isn't that much more than the Nvidia integrated card, as I noted, maybe $20 at the most.
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2009-10-20, 12:57

Does this mean one could use the 27" iMac as a secondary display connected to a MacBook?
If so, I would assume the iMac would simply be a dummy monitor and one could not use it simultaneously with the laptop.

27-inch models also support input from external DisplayPort sources (adapters sold separately).
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2009-10-20, 12:59

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27-inch models also support input from external DisplayPort sources (adapters sold separately).
27-inch iMac + HDMI-to-DP adaptor + PS3 = awesome?
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2009-10-20, 13:01

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I would rather not be ripped off, for something that would have cost them $20 more! Hardly enough for them to cut the RAM. I wouldn't mind having a 2.8Ghz CPU rather than a non-dedicated graphics card in a $1299 (Cdn) desktop. Not to meantion the ATI card isn't that much more than the Nvidia integrated card, as I noted, maybe $20 at the most.
Yeah, wow, I just looked over the configs and the $1499 model is clearly the worst deal in the lineup. It has the following improvements over the $1199 one:

- 1 TB vs. 500 GB hard drive
- Radeon 4670 vs. GeForce 9400M

You can buy a 1 TB hard drive for $80 and a Radeon 4670 for $70. Total price $150, and that's not even counting the price difference between the upgraded components and the original ones.

I know you can't upgrade those things yourself... actually, that's sort of the point. As usual, Apple has released a nice machine for a somewhat good price... if you stick to the most basic configuration and are okay with cluttering your desk with external hard drives and having very little 3D capability. Anyone with something other than the most basic needs would be ill-served by the iMacs, which are either underpowered or overpriced.

I still think the $1199 model is a good deal, but if you work at all in 3D rendering, $1499 is way too much to spend for a mediocre dedicated graphics card, and the higher-end models are even more outrageously priced.
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2009-10-20, 13:01

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You could hackintosh it for so much less, though, and get a MBP on the side for about the same cash.
Not in my case. I already have a "presentation" MBP (13"), and I was looking at a 17" MBP for a new "work" machine (to replace my recently-dead Quad G5 tower). So for about the same money I can get a Quad-Core machine with a nice, big screen. I need all the real-estate I can get my hands on for what I do, so the 27" screen is a pleasant surprise. Add to that the ability to hook up one of my 24" DVI monitors to it as well, and I have a nice little setup with both glossy screen (ick) and matte screen (yay!) for color proofing.

So it goes.
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2009-10-20, 13:03

That 27" i7 beast is pretty sweet. Will be interested to see how the reviews come in WRT to color fidelity / gamut.
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2009-10-20, 13:07

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I know you can't upgrade those things yourself...
Yes, can't wait til the tear down and see how easy it is to access the innards. Hopefully it's back to the early G5 iMac days where a few screws and you're in.
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2009-10-20, 13:09

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I still think the $1199 model is a good deal, but if you work at all in 3D rendering, $1499 is way too much to spend for a mediocre dedicated graphics card, and the higher-end models are even more outrageously priced.
Yup, if you are going to get one the base model is the only reasonable option. Nice to see that 4GBs of RAM is standard. To be realistic, I think it would be fine for my needs, but the 9400M does leave something to be desired, the ATI card is way better even if it is a low end dedicated card. If I had not upgraded my notebook this year I would have bought one and sold my PC, since I don't play games that require the GPU power of my PC enough to justify having it anymore.
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2009-10-20, 13:20

I'm so delighted with the 27" iMac - I believe that makes my hackintosh build a hell of a lot easier!

I'm surprised that they nixed the 24" size altogether. Weren't we just talking about 24" as the ideal size?

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2009-10-20, 13:31

Yeah, why not keep the 24" for the mid-range model, to help justify the price?
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2009-10-20, 13:37

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Yeah, why not keep the 24" for the mid-range model, to help justify the price?
because they want people to skip that one and go for the $1699 one.
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2009-10-20, 13:39

Yes, of course, but that isn't the point, the 24" was a nice size.
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2009-10-20, 13:44

I'm sure they don't want to have to keep three different LED panels (and therefore three different chassis) on-hand. Not only would a new 24" have to be LED, it would also have to have a different resolution from the previous one to fit the new 16:9 (instead of 16:10) lineup: slightly wider and slightly shorter.

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2009-10-20, 14:08

Just wondering, but are these new iMacs "Rev A" since we are dealing with new screen sizes and first-time-ever quad cores @ the high end?
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2009-10-20, 14:27

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Just wondering, but are these new iMacs "Rev A" since we are dealing with new screen sizes and first-time-ever quad cores @ the high end?
New displays (LED + IPS), new all aluminium casing, new mouse, new GPU, yea, reads like a Rev A.
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2009-10-20, 14:30

Judging by the product shots/ renders on the site, it looks like they've put on a bit of weight girth-wise (I love that word) – not sure if that's to accommodate the larger panels or for heat dissipation, but either way it's good to see that things aren't stuck on the route of getting slimmer-only.

Just placed an order; I do hope their quality control for their Rev A products has improved from the tales of past...

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2009-10-20, 14:31

Very nice updates, all around! I've been gone (and busy) all day, so I just now - about 15 minutes ago - got to sit down, view the pages, photos, specs and videos at Apple.com. Coming on the heels of yesterday's financial statements (and all the goodness that went with it), this is like the right hook following yesterday's set-up jab.

Apple is going to have one hellaciously ass-kicking holiday sales period.



They didn't even lower prices, but it seems we learned yesterday that they don't need to.



In this "economy", their stuff is still flying out the door (with "high" prices, minimal marketing, etc.), so all they have to do is tweak and finesse their already-solid lineup, sit back and watch people snap it all up.

I do hope to get a Magic Mouse at some point because this ball on my Mighty Mouse has died (again), and I'm really sick of fooling with it. And if it's wireless, I'll set it back on my upper desk surface and center my keyboard a bit better under the iMac itself.

But the MacBook and Mac mini got some love too (good stuff, as well). So Apple did the one thing I've been hoping for all along: give their consumer-level products a solid, respectable upgrade prior to the November/December holiday-shopping season (and not January-February, when many buyers don't give a rip, and it's "too little too late").

So, on many levels, today's updates rock.

Great gear, good specs, solid upgrades, decent (expected) prices (nothing got more expensive, right?), attractive and well-designed and attractive as always, etc.

Apple's in it to win it, people.



They're going to sell an unholy buttload of iMacs, MacBooks and the rest over the next 60 days. Wait until the next quarterly earnings statement presentation, and then think back to this day...it'll make yesterdays numbers look like batting practice, I'm betting.



I'm a happy guy. I would've been pleased with any 1-2 of today's updates. But to get this smorgasbord of substantially-updated consumer wares in one fell swoop? Hell yeah...
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2009-10-20, 14:32

Ok, thanks!

So I guess then it'd be best to wait and see what problems come up with the i5s and i7s before pulling the trigger on purchasing one of these beauties. Also, there's plenty of talk on other forums about Blu-ray being pulled out last minute. Anyone believe this? I guess you can make the argument seeing how, on the marketing video, Ive & Co. stress how awesome these screens are for 1080p and and higher resolutions.

Unless of course, there's 1080p iTunes downloads around coming in '10.
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2009-10-20, 16:00

I would have liked to see the prices come in about $100-200 lower (in Canada) for the full line-up (Mini included), but this is Apple, after all, and their prices are what they are.

All in all a nice update. I'll probably be buying the either the Mini or the iMac.

On balance, it is likely to be the iMac base model for me, assuming that the reviews of its display are positive.

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2009-10-20, 16:15

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27-inch iMac + HDMI-to-DP adaptor + PS3 = awesome?
I'm going to bump this post because this is a Big Deal - DisplayPort IN as well as out - not only can you have your Mac on your desk, you could now also have a BluRay player plugged in, your PS3/XBox 360 and so on.

A genuine All-In-One!

I guess you could even plug a *cough* gaming PC into it....
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2009-10-20, 16:18

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I guess you could even plug a *cough* gaming PC into it....
That's one damn expensive monitor.
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2009-10-20, 16:25

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Ok, thanks!

So I guess then it'd be best to wait and see what problems come up with the i5s and i7s before pulling the trigger on purchasing one of these beauties. Also, there's plenty of talk on other forums about Blu-ray being pulled out last minute. Anyone believe this? I guess you can make the argument seeing how, on the marketing video, Ive & Co. stress how awesome these screens are for 1080p and and higher resolutions.

Unless of course, there's 1080p iTunes downloads around coming in '10.
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2009-10-20, 16:28

I just noticed that while the standard advertised display on the iMac is the wireless keyboard without the numeric keypad, the other keyboards are options as well - i.e. wired without numeric or wired with numeric - and without any surcharge, which is as it should be. Good.

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2009-10-20, 16:30

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That's one damn expensive monitor.
You can bet that someone, somewhere will do this though!
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2009-10-20, 16:32

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I would have liked to see the prices come in about $100-200 lower (in Canada) for the full line-up (Mini included), but this is Apple, after all, and their prices are what they are.
Yeah, I was expecting a price drop, with the dollar almost being par again.
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2009-10-20, 16:36

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I'm going to bump this post because this is a Big Deal - DisplayPort IN as well as out - not only can you have your Mac on your desk, you could now also have a BluRay player plugged in, your PS3/XBox 360 and so on.

A genuine All-In-One!

I guess you could even plug a *cough* gaming PC into it....
Exactly. The thing that sucked about prior iMacs was that you couldn't use the screen for anything else. Now, even if you later get a Mac Pro or whatever, you can keep on using that big beautiful screen.

My friend Tay will probably get the $1,699 iMac now, because the iMac will essentially be able to *be* her TV. I mean, 27 inches is bigger than a lot of dorm TVs. And it saves space!

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2009-10-20, 17:01

The displays! Larger (as I guessed a couple of weeks ago ), LED-backlit, sky-high resolutions, and most importantly: IPS panels for both of 'em. These screens put the premium back into Apple in a big way. You can also get quad-core Nehalem processors if you want them, and you can pack the slim case with 16 bountiful gigabytes of RAM.

The machines are as gorgeous as ever, and the prices are great for what you get. With the disappointing exception of Blu-ray, the new iMac is brilliant. And it sure is nice to see Apple putting the iMac on the pedestal against a backdrop of falling iPod sales. I hope to see many more people confuse the terms "Apple" and "Mac" in the future.
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2009-10-20, 17:34

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With the disappointing exception of Blu-ray, the new iMac is brilliant.
I would be more disappointed but you can't really expect Apple to add amazing new displays, quad-core processors, and Blu-ray all at once. Well, you can, but it'd be sort of unrealistic.

It's not like Blu-ray is something they couldn't swap in later, in some future revision. I mean, it's not like these brand-new designs won't sell well enough without them (not unlike the rumored price drop for the new MacBook). Maybe they are waiting for costs to come down further, or maybe they just don't want to put them in the iMac before they're in the Mac Pro, who knows.

A Blu-ray drive would have made the $1,499 iMac a better deal. The $1,499 iMac went from being the best deal of the bunch to the worst, sandwiched by a nearly-identical $1,199 model and a stunning 27-incher for just $200 more (with a quad-core i5 on the high-end for those who need want it ). As it is, the $1,499 offers very little above the $1,199 model, so I can see why some people think it was "supposed" to have Blu-ray.

But even without Blu-ray, the new iMac is absolutely amazing. I can't believe how much you get for $1,199 these days!

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2009-10-20, 17:37

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I would be more disappointed but you can't really expect Apple to add amazing new displays, quad-core processors, and Blu-ray all at once. Well, you can, but it'd be sort of unrealistic.

It's not like Blu-ray is something they couldn't swap in later, in some future revision. I mean, it's not like these brand-new designs won't sell well enough without them (not unlike the rumored price drop for the new MacBook). Maybe they are waiting for costs to come down further, or maybe they just don't want to put them in the iMac before they're in the Mac Pro, who knows.

A Blu-ray drive would have made the $1,499 iMac a better deal. The $1,499 iMac went from being the best deal of the bunch to the worst, sandwiched by a nearly-identical $1,199 model and a stunning 27-incher for just $200 more (with a quad-core i5 on the high-end for those who need want it ). As it is, the $1,499 offers very little above the $1,199 model, so I can see why some people think it was "supposed" to have Blu-ray.

But even without Blu-ray, the new iMac is absolutely amazing. I can't believe how much you get for $1,199 these days!
If Apple is going to be pushing these big beautiful high resolution displays, making the iMacs VESA mount compatible (again) and advertising their HD worthiness, then they need to start providing some True 1080P HD content.... not offering a Blu-Ray OPTION is really just Apple playing politics here. And it's unfortunate because Apple doesn't offer a competitive alternative. iTune's 720P content does not come close to matching Blu-Ray.


Apple is being stubborn and protective here.
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