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kscherer
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2019-04-12, 11:02

Well, Disney's entry into the game is going to cause a lot of disruption. At just $6.99/month, it will be the least expensive service out there for the quantity of content it will provide. All of the Marvel Universe, Pixar, Star Wars, and the entire databases of 20th Century Fox and Disney!

Yikes!

Sign. Me. Up.

Disney has so much content, and so much family content, that this is going to put a lot of pressure on all the other services. The only thing I watch on Amazon is The Grand Tour. I watch a lot of Netflix stuff, but I'm not sure there's enough there to keep me as a customer once Disney+ goes live (I'll have both for a while until I can determine for myself). Netflix has a few good originals (especially The Kingdom), and lots of good documentaries, but I'm not sure that will be worth the $15/month.

Also, Disney has announced that Disney+ will be coming to the major platforms, i.e. Apple TV.

And, The Mandalorian will be exclusive to Disney+.

And at $6.99, what's not to like?

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2019-04-12, 13:05

I really like this concept and the price at first doesn't seem that bad. How many streams will it allow is my first question. I know I have a larger family than most, but my kids would easily all want to watch something different on their iPads or AppleTV.

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2019-04-12, 14:25

Yeah, a lot of unanswered questions, and I feel certain there will be tiers. Still, $6.99 is cheap for all that content. It would take a year just to get through the good stuff, and more years beyond that to get through the so-so, let alone the crap.

This is big! I was expecting it to be $30/mo or more. $6.99 is like Apple announcing the iPad for $499. Shocker!

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2019-04-13, 12:15

My guess is "starting at" $6.99. That'll be the tier nobody wants. They'll upsell you until you hit your pain point at $19.99. It's way too straight-forward for them to split this service into "channels" for them not to do it.

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2019-04-16, 12:16

That actually makes sense. The talk of bundling in ESPN and Hulu too... I'd be REALLY shocked if it is only $7 a month.
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2019-04-16, 20:24

"$7/month for the first X months"



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2019-04-16, 20:31

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That actually makes sense. The talk of bundling in ESPN and Hulu too... I'd be REALLY shocked if it is only $7 a month.
I thought I read something where it was just that unappealing ESPN+ service and not the regular channels. If it was, I’d be all over that in a heart beat. I already have Hulu so I’d be interested to see what they offer, especially if these cable streaming options keep going up in price.

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2019-04-17, 00:18

Disney is trying to get new accounts to sign-up, and I must say that the price is right.
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2019-04-17, 01:24

In the long run, it is probably cheaper to just buy bargain bin DVDs of content.
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2019-04-19, 12:30

And you can store them next to your VHS tapes, just under your 16mm film reels!


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2019-04-20, 18:08

or just... rip them?
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2019-05-03, 19:25

my kids would easily all want to watch something different on their iPads or AppleTV.
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2019-05-05, 11:27

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2019-05-05, 14:54

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2019-08-07, 12:33

Disney+ pricing is looking awfully good! Still remaining at $6.99; does not appear to be an entry-level price or promo price; Disney+, Hulu and ESPN+ for $12.99!!!

AppleTV+ is gonna have to be cheap—or FREE—because $30/mo is going to get them crushed. I will be signing up for the bundle. That is a lot of content for $13!

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2019-08-07, 12:45

Considering I'm paying $11.99/mo for ad-free Hulu and $5.99 for ESPN+, this is a steal. I will be jumping on this, and hopefully for a few more $ they offer ad-free Hulu. I'm not sure why they wouldn't.

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2019-08-07, 12:50

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AppleTV+ is gonna have to be cheap—or FREE—because $30/mo is going to get them crushed. I will be signing up for the bundle. That is a lot of content for $13!
Wait, who said anything about Apple TV+ being $30/mo? As far as we know it's just their original shows, right? I don't think anyone's expecting a price anywhere near $30/mo.

Maybe there will be a $30/mo "Apple+" bundle with, like, Apple TV+, Apple News+, Apple Music, Apple Arcade, and iCloud storage, or something.

$13 is indeed a good price for Disney+, ESPN+, and Hulu, but I really wish it was ad-free Hulu and not ad-supported Hulu. Not necessarily because of the ads, but because whenever I have problems with a Hulu stream, nine times out of ten the stream is just fine and then it can't load an ad and everything just stops, which is frustrating. I'd gladly pay $13 for a bundle of just Disney+ and ad-free Hulu, with no ESPN+.

(I currently have ad-supported Hulu as part of a bundle with other services, so upgrading to ad-free isn't an option for me unless I just start paying $11.99 for it separately, which seems wasteful. It would be nice if it was possible to upgrade with this plan, but I sort of doubt it will be.)

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2019-08-07, 13:51

There was some conversation earlier in the year and last year about Apple charging upwards of $30/month (I'm not citing sources, just recalling conversation).

As far as Hulu, we actually don't know yet if Disney might be eliminating tiered Hulu services. That will likely be announced in the near future. ESPN+, like all ESPN drivel, is heavily dependent on ads and I doubt that will change, but it is a start in the right direction. Getting rid of the Cable/Satellite tether is heavily linked to ESPN contracts. I am guessing Disney is gambling on people being willing to subscribe directly to the network without needing Cable or Satellite tethering. If it works out the way I suspect, Cable Company X and Satellite Company Y are headed down the road toward internet services only, and the CSPAN's of the world are headed toward being shut down. The only thing holding most people back is sports, and since no one actually wants CNN or Fox, those dudes are going to have to completely rethink their models. It truly is all about sports and "series" TV.

I no longer care about sports, but if I did and I could have ESPN without having to pay for the CNN/Fox crap, I would take it in a heart beat.

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2019-08-07, 14:03

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There was some conversation earlier in the year and last year about Apple charging upwards of $30/month (I'm not citing sources, just recalling conversation).
I think that was back when people were speculating Apple might introduce a "cable replacement" IPTV channel bundle, like Sling, PlayStation Vue, or Hulu with Live TV. If they were doing that, that pricing might make sense.

But we know now that isn't what they're doing, at least at first. Apple TV+ is a now clearly positioned as a streaming service for Apple's original shows and movies. I don't think anyone's expecting that service to be $30/mo. It'd be dead in the water.

Even HBO is $14.99, and that includes a lot of Hollywood movies in addition to their original shows.

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2019-08-07, 15:09

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I think that was back when people were speculating Apple might introduce a "cable replacement" IPTV channel bundle, like Sling, PlayStation Vue, or Hulu with Live TV. If they were doing that, that pricing might make sense.

But we know now that isn't what they're doing, at least at first. Apple TV+ is a now clearly positioned as a streaming service for Apple's original shows and movies. I don't think anyone's expecting that service to be $30/mo. It'd be dead in the water.
That might be it, alright. But, Apple hasn't said boo about pricing, so that's the last number to go with. Judging by Apple Music and Apple News+, though, $10-$15 per month sounds logical.

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Even HBO is $14.99, and that includes a lot of Hollywood movies in addition to their original shows.
Yeah, I'm not sure Apple's service will be worth more than $5/mo if all it is is their own stuff. Free might actually be too much to pay.

I mean, Disney+ will be $6.99, and they have a catalog spanning decades, and properties with more fanatical followers than Apple has nickels! For $12.99, that catalog expands to include a chunk of sports, and a whole bunch of random TV shows. Basically, Disney gets pretty much everyone. Apple really needs to have more available than the few shows they teased. Unless, well, Oprah. I suppose she has a fan or two, but…

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2019-08-07, 15:56

So November 12 is the day you can begin directly handing your money to Disney.
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2019-08-07, 16:00

It does seem like it would be really hard to launch a streaming service that’s nothing but new IP. Like, sure, For All Mankind might be good, See might be good, but there’s no shortage of good TV. The shows will have to be exceptional, to the point where they hook a bunch of people during their free trial period and build the sort of buzz where everyone else feels like they have to subscribe or be left out. I don’t envy their position.

Even CBS All Access had a slow start, and all of its first series — The Good Fight, Big Brother, Star Trek — were based on familiar IP. There’s a lot of resistance to a new streaming service, and it’s hard to break past that and make the service feel essential, because people are basically looking for reasons not to subscribe. To their credit, CBS was willing to throw their best stuff at All Access — they gave it Star Trek, which is a big IP, because they knew it would get people to subscribe. And it did. But it took time.

My worry with Apple TV+ is that Apple won’t give it time. CBS All Access is far more essential to CBS’s future than Apple TV+ is to Apple’s. How much money will Apple throw at Apple TV+ if it’s not an immediate success? Because I’m not expecting it to be. It’ll take time to build up a library of killer shows.

Apple’s leaning heavily on the big-name creators angle, with Steven Spielberg, Reese Witherspoon, JJ Abrams, Ron Howard, and, of course, Oprah. Apple’s pitching this as the home for all these creators’ passion projects. But big-name creators make flops all the time (especially when they’re making passion projects). I wonder if it would have been smarter to buy the rights to a bunch of shows and build an IP war chest, instead.

The beauty of Disney+ is that it isn’t just Disney+, it’s also Marvel+ and Star Wars+, because if there’s one thing Disney understands it’s the value of IP. HBO wants to built a Game of Thrones universe. Amazon is making a big bet on Lord of the Rings. WB relies heavily on DC characters for its shows. Apple doesn’t have any of that, now.

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2019-08-07, 16:11

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Apple’s leaning heavily on the big-name creators angle, with Steven Spielberg, Reese Witherspoon, JJ Abrams, Ron Howard, and, of course, Oprah. Apple’s pitching this as the home for all these creators’ passion projects. But big-name creators make flops all the time (especially when they’re making passion projects). I wonder if it would have been smarter to buy the rights to a bunch of shows and build an IP war chest, instead.
Yes.

Apple would have been better off buying some stuff. However, they would have had to be looking waaaay down the road. Star Wars? Star Trek? Dancing With the Couch Potatoes?

Oprah will sell to a subset of American viewers, almost exclusively women (I don't know any men who care). See and For All Mankind? Interesting concepts that, by themselves, won't carry the service—at least I don't think they will. Oprah and that Aniston/Witherspoon thing smell like they're driven too much by politics and may drive away viewers who don't want to be bothered by such things. But, you just never know. These things are rapidly becoming TV-show-app-things and there is a crap-ton of variety for relatively cheap. I mean, Netflix, Apple TV+, and Disney+ look like they can all be had for around $45/month, which is a lot cheaper than Cable and viewers don't have to wade through 300+ channels of fluff.

However, I think the big seller is going to be commercials/ads. The service that delivers the fewest of those is going to come out on top, or near the top. So far, Netflix has the lead in that space, and I'm betting Apple will be ad-free as well. What will Disney do?

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2019-08-07, 17:16

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Oprah and that Aniston/Witherspoon thing smell like they're driven too much by politics and may drive away viewers who don't want to be bothered by such things.
Witherspoon’s media empire, Hello Sunshine, is actually producing three shows for Apple TV+ (that we know of). One of the others is a legal drama called Truth Be Told, the other is an untitled comedy helmed by Colleen McGuinness.

I don’t think The Morning Show is going to be too political, other than reflecting that it is produced by and starring women who have probably experienced some form of sexism in their own careers. I think connecting it to #MeToo back at Apple’s “upfront” was just them trying to make it relevant and timely. It is, at the end of the day, a workplace comedy.

If you’re worried about Apple TV+ getting too political I think Little America is far more likely to be “driven by politics,” if you count “immigrants are people too” as “politics.” And of course, they could pick up that Obama show that’s been shopped around, though even that is probably going to be pretty fluffy, just like Oprah is.

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2019-08-07, 17:30

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These things are rapidly becoming TV-show-app-things and there is a crap-ton of variety for relatively cheap. I mean, Netflix, Apple TV+, and Disney+ look like they can all be had for around $45/month, which is a lot cheaper than Cable and viewers don't have to wade through 300+ channels of fluff.
I think there’s a good chance that those services together will actually be closer to $30. For $45, you could add HBO. Or ESPN+, Hulu, and CBS All Access.

It’s great. We’re finally getting the a la carte “pay only for the content I want” dream, and now people are complaining that one $9.99/mo service doesn’t have everything (which was never going to be sustainable once streaming became the primary distribution mechanism). And it’s even better, because unlike with cable companies there are no contracts for any of these services, so you can subscribe to HBO while your show is on and then drop it until the next season. Or subscribe to Netflix for a month for Stranger Things and then drop it. You don’t even have to pick up the phone.

And most of these services are ad-free. And you can watch what you want whenever. This really is a golden Age of Television.

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2019-08-07, 22:56

Robo, I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. My bits are as follows:

1) I don't want politics in my shows. Seriously! If Whichever Streaming Company+ can deliver an entertaining show to me sans the [opinion] politics, and +++ on the entertainment value, I will subscribe. I don't care who delivers it, and the loser will lose, even if that is Apple (as an example, I could care less about Apple News+ or Apple Music—neither provides anything I care about).

2) I will pay for multiples of Whichever Streaming Company+ because I know they will each bring something different to the table. Netflix has plenty of soft-core porn and crazy-ass dramas; Disney has plenty of family-friendly fun and old timer classics; and Apple TV+ has … something.

3) I will pay up to—but not more than—$45/month for a combination of fun things that fill in the one or two hours I have in a given day for Stupid Time®.

4) I would rather spend time in my garden, in my wood shop, or in my Minecraft than on the boob-tube (yes, I'm old and crotchety and I still call it that, so KMA! ) So, it has to bre pretty good to drag me to the couch.

5) I ain't watching adds!

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2019-08-08, 00:43

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Robo, I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. My bits are as follows:

1) I don't want politics in my shows. Seriously! If Whichever Streaming Company+ can deliver an entertaining show to me sans the [opinion] politics, and +++ on the entertainment value, I will subscribe. I don't care who delivers it, and the loser will lose, even if that is Apple (as an example, I could care less about Apple News+ or Apple Music—neither provides anything I care about).
I guess I just don’t see where you’re getting the idea that any of these shows have [opinion] politics in them at all. Apple TV+ seems to be playing it incredibly safe, and Disney is Disney.

If anything, my worry is that Apple TV+ is going to be a little bit too toothless and PG-rated, because it’s made by Apple and they want to be family-friendly. People were allegedly derisively referring to it as “Expensive CBS,” because it seemed like it would be a premium service with a network sensibility (no adult stuff). Prestige dramas are very much linked to the idea that they show gritty, violent, sexual things for grown-ups, and I’m not sure I can see Apple being willing to make a show like Mr. Robot or Breaking Bad, much less Game of Thrones.

Anyway, I’m 100% positive Apple TV+ isn’t going to have ads, so you’re in luck there.

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2019-08-08, 08:34

Feel free to call me out if I'm wrong, but didn't Apple say for the original content that it was going to be all family friendly, ie: no swearing, gore, ect ect?

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Feel free to call me out if I'm wrong, but didn't Apple say for the original content that it was going to be all family friendly, ie: no swearing, gore, ect ect?
I don’t think they ever stated as such, but it definitely seems like they’re shying away from R-rated HBO-style stuff.
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2019-08-08, 12:16

I don't recall Apple having ever said anything of the sort, but I do recall a blogger somewhere citing an interview with some Apple "source" that Apple was shooting for an environment where foul language, violence, and sex would not be permitted. I am not convinced and am taking a wait and see approach. Honestly, it doesn't really matter. If you want/need family friendly, Disney+ looks to be bringing a ton of older content to the table, so there should be plenty to choose from.

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