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The most exciting application to come out of Microsoft in years. Although the free converter for 2004 users sounds handy, this doesn't sound like an app that will be worth shedding out for - I mean, how hard is Rosetta having to work to run Office on Intel? Lets just hope iWork 07 can offer something to compete with it |
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I know it doesn't actually mean anything, but I like that the Mac version is Office 2008, where the Windows version is Office 2007. It makes the Mac version sound better.
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Just like how the previous Mac version was 2004 and the previous Windows version was 2003.
If you're more of a "glass half empty" kind of guy, you could say that the Mac version was one year late in both instances. |
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The screenshot of Powerpoint i saw makes it seem as if Office 2008 may very well kill iWork.
It looks very nice... and it is finally adopting OS X technologies |
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Not at all. iWork is a consumer suite.
The screenshot of PowerPoint and those of Word indicate, rather, one thing: in addition to being a Mac version of Office, MacBU has recognized Office:mac needs to be a Pro version of iWork. Simple as that. They don't compete. They complement. |
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iWork, and specifically Keynote has never been about the consumer. If it had been, it'd have been included for free with every mac by now. Apple has been trying to take away MS's low to mid range customer base. And leave the high end to MS. The latest screen shots make it clear that MS is not willing to let that happen. These are drastically friendly apps, but at the same time more powerful and take away many of the Apple advantages. You also forget that student pricing on Office is in most cases less than or equal to iWork and Office simply will always be chosen over iWork by the average joe consumer. They don't complement. They are in competition. Saying otherwise is simply trying to avoid the neccessary comparisons for some reason. |
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You can't just hand out random volume licensing deals like that and consider them an argument. The retail prices are relevant because they show that, clearly, Microsoft thinks Office is worth several times as much as iWork. Moreover, they clearly think it caters to a market that is willing to pay several times as much. Quote:
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Round Two! Ting!
Just to put my two penneth in here, I must admit I have got 2007 on my work's computers and power point now rocks because all of the cool stuff is easier to access, also also outlook 2007 just whips 2003... A lot of thought went into this one I think... |
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Any picts would be nice.
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My take is that however elegant it is, iWork is still a half-assed program suite, being too half-assed to either compete full-assedly in the Office pricerange (relative to target market), or install full-assedly on every mac for free. So in fact, I think it has no target market at all, except a handfull of half-asses.
So why is it there? My guess is that iWork is basically a half-assed way to let Microsoft feel that as long as they support the Mac so half-assedly, Apple might as well come up with their own programs that might rather half-assedly open and save Office docs, but still allow Apple to stick their full middle finger in MS's half ass when the moment is there. With all due respect. And oh, shouldn't it run quite full-assedly on the iPhone soon? Last edited by Doxxic : 2007-01-11 at 07:07. |
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Every release Microsoft "greatly enhances the interface and discoverability", which is code for: we added a couple bells and whistles and made your interface shinier than before. Seriously, I'm just going to run iWork, or I'm going to run Vista office via Parallels. 2004 was my last Office upgrade I suspect.
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I'm also highly suspicious of this "discoverability" talk. I keep imagining a lot of huge ribbon menus stealing all my screen space without being the least productivity enhancing.
It's also going to be interesting to see if this new file format, is going to spell a forced upgrade anyway. |
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Join Date: May 2004
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I bailed on Office a couple of years ago. I'm fortunate in that I'm not in a position to need it. I'd much rather fire up TextEdit over Word anyway. Times like these, I'm so very thankful I don't do the report/spreadsheet/presentation thing in the "real world".
Yet I'm very glad it's there for the Mac population, don't get me wrong. It's an important bridge, no doubt. I hope it's always there for those who need it (and I realize tons of Mac users do). But it ranks right up there with label makers, free downloadable TrueType fonts and 3D software in the "list of things I can't bring myself to give a damn about". |
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It's handy to have Word for swapping documents with Windows people, and Entourage is still nicer than Mail / Address Book / iCal combo IMO. I wish Apple would just merge the damn things then I wouldn't think twice about using it.
As for presentations, I'm ready to switch to Keynote. Powerpoint has some nice features but they're all buried beneath a mound of little dialogs. Annoying! ...into the light of a dark black night. |
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The screenshot I've seen of the new PowerPoint makes it look very nice, especially when compared to the current version. I use Keynote primarily because of how ugly PowerPoint is, but I don't know what I'll use when this comes out. It looks very nice and well designed.
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i love the fact that it's going to destroy backwards compatibility so when you show up with your PPT on a disk it won't work on the computer the company provides for you because they haven't updated their software....
or you send out that critical office document and the recipient can't open it... microsoft has some of the worst backwards compatibility of all.... this is why PDFs are infinitely better |
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If you're only talking about Office backward compatability, Microsoft needed to cut off their old format. The XML format is infinitely better. Not only that, but they will be releasing a free file converter, so none of those scenarios you just listed will be an issue. You had me at asl ....... |
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Except OOXML (MS Office Open XML) is not a real standard and not a real break from the old format. It's based on the application behavior of Word for Windows and hence is impossible to fully implement by anyone except Microsoft.
And it's going to take 120 man years for Microsoft to implement it in Mac Office. See also this analysis. The sky was deep black; Jesus still loved me. I started down the alley, wailing in a ragged bass. |
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Oh all right. I didn't understand what you were saying. Anyway, it's true that's disappointing (the AV apps all being Macintel only) but I think the reason is simple economics; it has nothing to do with capability. They can't justify the extra development expense of making two versions for one platform, when in 2 or 3 years, most of the people who use those apps (Pros) will not be using PPC any longer. There will still be many PPC machines out there for a good 5 or 6 years at least but they won't be used by video pros IOW. The audience for those apps is the key to their decision. That and in 2 or 3 years no one is going to be making UB / PPC apps anymore probably. They'll all be native Macintel only.
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Virtually all developers aside from Adobe have tailored their build environments to the point where building for both architectures is completely streamlined, and where adding another would be literally the click of a checkbox. Adobe hasn't. That's their loss, and unfortunately ours as well. The only kind of app where CPU-specific code makes sense is something like Parallels Desktop, for very obvious reasons. Adobe's entire product line, however, should not be CPU-specific in the least, and the fact that it is indicates laziness. "Economics" be damned. |
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I know that apps can be compiled for either platform with the tick of a checkbox, but...
Surely they still need to be tested in each environment separately? And if so, then testing for an app of the type of complexity we're talking about is likely to be expensive, no? Would that not exert a pressure to create apps for Intel only? Or can you test your app in Intel and be confident that the tests will be consistent in PPC? |
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