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Wow, ryusoma. Way to kick off your membership here. I'd say welcome to AppleNova, but... I don't welcome you here. You're being an ass. As is anyone else who makes generalizations based on something as mundane as software choice. Why do you make such a big deal out of it? Who cares, really, other than you?
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My current uptime on my PC running Windows XP Pro is a little over seven days. I can see where ryusoma is coming from - a lot of the assertions that Mac users make about Windows machines are exaggerated, and it can be offensive. The problem with Windows PCs has more to do with their typical users. They have the potential to be just as reliable as Macs, but when you screw up, it punishes you more. And given that a huge number of Windows users are completely computer illiterate, you run into problems more.
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I don't much care to discuss the state of games , or most other software because it should be patently obvious to even the most simple and uninformed Macintosh owner that the selection of software - the CHOICES - in these categories is (put politely) limited. Maybe you can remind me how many PC game titles there are compared to Macintosh titles overall.. oh, and perhaps even for those that ARE available for both, how many besides Blizzard or iD titles actually release within 6 months of the PC version? Oh, here's another good one. How about all those NON-Microsoft productivity apps and office suites? The weeping and gnashing of teeth when OOo finally officially dropped its planned Aqua support seems to tell me that at least SOME Macintosh owners aren't thrilled with your 'newer and better' Microsoft Office.. oh wait? You didn't want a choice there, did you? Quote:
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If you want an insulting user stereotype, try this one - at least even the most dimwitted Windows user can understand the concept of TWO mouse buttons. |
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So, as I said before, I can see where you're coming from. And I do agree that there are too many Mac users who cling to the same old stereotypes of Windows users. But then you seem to be doing the same thing in reverse. How can you assume that "almost all" Mac users believe the same misinformation that was hurled back and forth in Mac vs PC debates of years past? And don't even start with the whole mouse button debate. |
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To reply to Ryusoma,
Mac users do not simply put form over function. We demand that form and function be integrated. While I can bust my butt and make my former PC look and sound nearly identical to a Mac (sound clips, Windows XP, Objectdock, and a OSX simulation skin with background, a new paint job and an Apple Cinema Display) the fact is I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO. Like well-written poetry, Apple products form is a derivative of the ease of function their software and operating system produce for the novice and professional user alike. The number of products available is of no concern. You can have a million 802.11a products. Airport is all I need. Who the h-e-double hockey sticks even uses 802.11a anymore? Also, on the topic of graphics cards other than ATI, have you checked the GeForce 6800 in the top of the line PowerMac. I did not realize that was made by ATI. Wow. Nobody better tell NVIDIA. Don’t worry, the secret’s safe with me. Describe to me again, how do IBM clones have a rapid rate of change? I switched from a hardcore power PC user/gamer to Apple almost two and a half years ago. (I am still a freelance PC tech…we are always in high demand). When I look at the industry now, what change am I supposed to be experiencing? Tablet PC’s? The Media Center PC? With the exception of faster processors and video cards (that the operating system and the applications/games can barely take advantage of) the PC industry has stagnated. It takes its cues from Apple computer, waits for its move and attempts to follow its example. The PC industry does this badly. Jobs says it best when he says Apple is about innovation. Innovation is not about pandering to the lowest common denominator in the tech world (i.e. the frame rate addicted, spec whore, would-overclock-my-own-mother-for-better-performance PC gaming Addict). If we want better games, we will pickup an X-Box, Playstation 2, Game Cube, or do some vintage gaming. Why is this so? Because their respective companies shell out millions to do what they do well…my Apple is for getting work done. (P.S. Blizzard does simultaneous releases of games…look harder next time). Every AGP & PCI device will work with Windows? Before or after constant driver updates, security updates, OS updates, etc. Do not even try to play that card. Some shiznit produced for Windows 3.1, 95, NT, and 98 simply do not work on XP due to absent or not updated drivers no matter how many times you google otherwise. On the topic of XP uptime, I will admit PC’s have gotten better at stability over the years. I kept my XP pro system up for nearly two weeks at a time. However, that cannot come close to the uptime of my old iBook G3 700, which stayed up continuously for three months straight…only to have to be restarted by a OS update (then it stayed up for another month and a half). While the system stability stereotype is problematic, and perhaps overblown, it is an issue when compared to the stability of Mac systems I’ve worked with. ------ However, I feel you on the two button mouse. <currently using a Logitech wireless mouse on an iBook G4 800> |
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Can I just say that I hate the automotive "Mac = BMW and Windows = Chevy" analogy?
BMW's, besides being expensive to start with, are historically more expensive to maintain than a LOT of other makes. We know that that's not the case with Macs. Maybe "Mac = Honda and Windows = Chevy" will work better. What would Linux be? Maybe a custom-built car... |
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My god. You people and your arrogance, your generalizing, your 10-year-old cliches. It never ends. I love how you can nitpick where some level of parity or equivalence is acknowledged or accepted and the next minute make sweeping cursory dismissals of entire realms software or hardware. Blizzard makes a SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE and DON'T YOU FORGET IT. 802.11a technology SUCKS noone wants to use it anyways. Noone WANTS more than 4 word processors or any other application for that matter.
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CHOICE IS CHOICE. Noone cares if you think a product 'sucks'. I think having only a white plastic shell to 'choose' (HA!) from sucks, that doesn't make it true. The FACT is that choice, option and competition makes for a better market and drive prices lower, whether you buy Apples, Oranges, Guns or Butter. I know many of you will immediately trot out tired old 'M$' or 'Windon't/WinDOZE' insults to cover your insecurities about this fact but fundamentally YOUR market relies on OUR market to exist. Who do you think developed those 'industry standards'? Who do you think drove the commodity pricing of all those components you gleefully cite so low? Why do you think Microsoft makes most any innovation or concession to users and licensees now - what market segments are putting innovative pressure on them? The answer to none of these questions is Apple! But you can barely admit that since even Apple itself - while internalizing the core structure of UNIX, takes great pains to hide and obscure those fundamentals from OSX users by removing X11, by forcing different development environments and compilers - by making it difficult to utilize something that should fundamentally be cross-compatible with it! As I suspect none of you are aware (or conveniently forgot to compare); long ago in a galaxy far far away IBM tried to wrest control of its design back from the other manufacturers in its industry and Microsoft by implementing the Microchannel interface and prohibitive licensing agreements. Thankfully, both the consumers and industry rejected this ploy and broke IBM's grip on the market. As I alluded to in my first message (and of course all of you conveniently ignored), Apple used a similar tactic to drive out clone PowerPC manufacturers in changing its architecture. However in YOUR case, you stood meekly by and allowed it.. nay many of you EMBRACED your own castration as consumers thanks to the Steve Jobs cult of personality. I will gladly take Bill Gates' ham-handed and often easily-circumvented control over Steve Jobs' obsessive-compulsive 'leadership' anyday. Despite all the excuses you can spout, despite all the hue and cry you can raise, the IBM-PC architecture and Microsoft drive the personal computer market, not Apple. And the fundamental reason for it is consumer choice. Microsoft is not the be all and end all of the market, despite what both you and Bill would like to think. Thanks for being so predictable, Mac folks. [/troll] Last edited by ryusoma : 2005-01-18 at 04:26. |
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