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Ok, I'm bummed. Years past there were insanely wonderful conversations regarding WWDC announcements. We'd dive into APIs, extract binary dumps, get into ridiculous arguments over what 'is' is, and so on. Sites were dedicated to the rumors not just of what banks were signing on to Apple Pay, but what technical details we could expect, and extrapolate those into (often wrong but always fun) future road plans.
Wha hoppen? Did the industry age, or did we? Where are the hip yoots discussing these esoterica, or is it a legacy page from an age gone by? Or did Apple finally plug their leaks using teams of highly trained iNinjas? |
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i think it's a combination of AN being quieter and the iOS ecosystem maturing and bringing fewer huge surprises. and, yeah, things leak more, too.
i'm totally okay with iOS 9 being a Modifier Cat-style "under the hood" release. i hope 10.11 is, too. i'm most curious about the new apple tv. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Just us old farts left, Kick, and a few youngsters.
Why post a paragraph of fun and argue-drama when you can tweet three words, twat another six, and post a picture of your noodles and broccoli to Snapperchat or Picturepages or some silly crap like that. And with Paul on hiatus hiding from Star Wars spoilers, Brad taking a Calgon moment and Dr. Mad Mad flung into deep space there's just not much left to bitch about. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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By "old fart" do you mean as in long time member of AN? or just old as in age? Thinking about it I may actually qualify in both categories!!
I used to be undecided.....But now I'm not so sure. No trees were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. |
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Yes. That.
I'm 45 and been on the forum for 11 years. I qualify as both an old fart and an old AN fart, especially in this age of Twatterboxing and Pickflipping. While I don't much care for such things, I am pretty good at kermudgering and photogrumping, although I think geezergriping is still outside my area of expertise. As far as WWDC is concerned, the usual suspects are in order*. iOS 9 will make its debut, as will OS 10.11 Sequoia. I am convinced both will be focused on improved security, bug fixes, code efficiency, CPU performance, stability and power management. I am also convinced that both will try to improve device-to-device syncing and iCloud BS (both of which are lacking, IMO. Apple TV will get overhauled and introduce an SDK/store/controller and we will hear about content deals that will make the likes of CableOne and Comcast quiver in their boots. No new computer hardware will be announced, although I think the Mac Pro may get an update. Now, if you'll excuse me, my old-ass pipes (or is that old ass-pipes) need venting! * Figured I'd drop this in for Kickaha's benefit. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2015-06-03 at 11:13. Reason: Don't know my OS versions |
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Apple is focused on iterative change right now. No one is expecting anything significant.
10.10 was a step back from 10.9 in many ways, and just getting 10.10 as functional as 10.9 would be progress. All the Apple software releases lately have been them pairing down usability and utility while adding partially baked cloud services. I guess I'm expecting more half assed software, and nothing new on the hardware front. (no new iMac, no new PowerMac, no new laptops, no new mini, no new apple TV) Maybe? a display that will probably cost $1,200. What is there to be excited about? Google is your frenemy. Caveat Emptor - Latin for tough titty I tend to interpret things in the way that's most hilarious to me |
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A stand alone 5k display would be fancy, but knowing Apple there will only be a 27" version @ $1500, which will kill it before it gets started. There will need to be a 5k 27" in the $1200 range and a 4k 21" in the $800 range in order for it to be a successful product.
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I predict that the Thunderbolt 3/USB-TypeC announcement will be the only thing in tech that I geek over this month.
Like alc & robo say, fixer-upgrades to OSs. No new Mac hardware. Maybe some sales numbers for the Watch? I doubt it though. I couldn't care less about a streaming music service and Apple TV would have to be something big to hold my attention. So no, I'm really not that excited about WWDC this year. Doesn't mean I'm not going to watch, mind you, there's always the possibility for a surprise or two. So it goes. |
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It'd be awesome if there were more things announced with USB-C. My MacBook's port is getting lonely.
Definitely interested in seeing what comes for the AppleTV. |
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I think the USB-C stuff will be announced by 3rd parties, not by Apple, just as they tend to leave cases etc. to 3rd parties. This will be good for consumers, since adapters/accessories will likely be much cheaper and of good quality (generally). Apple has already announced a few accessories to jumpstart the market and I don't expect any others.
FYI: Watch those 3rd party USB-C chargers. Fool things tend to burn stuff down. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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I fully expect a triumphant unveiling of the PowerBook G6. About bloody time for it! A little birdie sent me blurry elevator pictures of plastic-wrapped PowerBook-sized boxes. Thus proven.
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Nice!
I remember those. We need Paul to mock us up some fake iMacs or something so we can get some good, old fashioned rumors started. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Once multiple sources confirmed that a new Apple TV would not make an appearance I lost interest.
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I'm hoping it is some sort of sign, but the iWork suite had a public page saying many features will be returning/improved. It's just iWork for now, but maybe, just maybe, that's a sign of a different trend on the software front to at least restore lost functionality.
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That's what I just don't get about their software struggles. It is interesting to me how even in a giant company like that, if the leadership isn't engaged with a segment of the business it will falter. |
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Because they're not actually that giant of a company. Giant in profits, yes, but they're pretty focused. Just "throwing" money at a problem to fix it isn't something they've ever been keen on doing.
Microsoft, for example, has 128,000 employees, and they'll get 17,000 more when they buy Salesforce. Oracle has 122,000. But excluding retail staff, Apple only has 46,400 employees, fewer than even the similarly lean Google. By that count, Apple is just four Yahoos, and yet they make an advanced desktop operating system, an advanced mobile operating system, the best phones and tablets in the world, a full line of personal computers, and they run the biggest music/movie/app storefront out there. As an iWork user, I would like it if iWork were more of a priority…but not if it meant Apple started losing focus and just started to "throw $50 million" here and there. Because focus is one of the biggest reasons I think Apple has been so successful. The idea that they should just "throw $50 million" at things is a Google move, or a Microsoft move. See what sticks. Can half of it later. I wouldn't want Apple to become that sort of company. Why did Apple make iWork in the first place? They never made iPhotoshop or iDesign, even though those are closer to their other "pro creative" apps. It was probably a strategic hedge against the possibility that Microsoft would stop making Office for Mac, which seemed far more important in the first half of the oughts. These days, it's an alternative to Google Docs. But $50 million wouldn't make iWork a huge business for Apple. $500 million wouldn't. It's just not something that's going to be a huge growth driver for them, so I can understand it not being a huge priority. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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So where do I stand on all things Apple that matter to me?
* 2x of these http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?....40GHz&id=1252 vs 1x of these http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?....50GHz&id=2066 When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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iWork was dumbed down so it could achieve feature parity with the iOS/web versions. That's all. Now, when a new thing is added, it's added to all three. In other words, iWork for Mac doesn't get a new feature until the iOS/web version can support the same feature.
While this line of thinking is just hunky-dorey for the "mobile" crowd, the desktop crowd is forced into one of three camps: 1) Use the old version of iWork; 2) Switch to MS Office; 3) Suck it! I fall into the first camp. Too many features gone because "Waaaaaaa, my iPad doesn't have that" and a complete CSS fail in the current version have forced me to stick with the old monkey. Way better software. I agree with both sides, though. Apple really needs to fix the desktop version, but they risk alienating the mobile users if they do. Too bad the iWork team doesn't have the same exact focus that the OS teams have: One version for the desktop, one version for mobile with certain elements of compatibility built in. What I'd like to see is for iWork Mac to have a "mobile mode" that disables features not supported on the iOS version. If you know your document needs to be accessible on iThings, you click the "Mobile Compatibility" button and BAM! Unsupported features are disabled. Or, if you're like me and don't give two craps about iOS, you just delete that button from the menu bar and pretend it doesn't exist! Yep, that's what I would do! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Some of those features you're asking for in Swift would murder compile times, especially being able to infer that generics are bound by the existence of another function. The closest example I can think of in other languages would be typeclasses from Scala and Haskell—the implicit search resolution in Scala is known to seriously slow down the compiler.
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Apple has two choices that would improve the quality of their products overall, 1) Reduce the number of products in terms of hardware and or software or 2) hire more staff to develop the range of products they want to make and support. |
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Robo's numbers are wrong unless he is omitting retail. Apple employs 66K people in the US alone, 98K across the world.
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That doesn't make very much sense to me because you are omitting part of Apple's core support structure and visible branding. It's telling how Apple Stores and the employees who operate them are so huge, they amount to the majority of its workforce. When do we start selectively omitting sanitation/janitorial, security, IT, HR, etc. because they aren't creators?
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Still, it'd be nice to not have to bother. When I was a kid, people who did wrong were punished, restricted, and forbidden. Now, when someone does wrong, all of the rest of us are punished, restricted, and forbidden... and the one who did the wrong is counselled and "understood" and fed ice cream. |
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I don't think MS or Google really throw away money at projects either. Google in particular is very quick to shutter projects that aren't working out as envisioned. The one major example I think supports this argument is Microsoft buying Nokia's handset business. A desperation move after giving Apple and Google a 2-year headstart.
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You are making an incredible amount of excuses for a company that has more cash on hand and growing than they know what to do with. You are also ignoring the incredible staff growth that they have had over the last 5 years. Your argument falls apart the minute that apple continues development on a product they don't put the appropriate resources towards in order to be great and successful. In my opinion they have far too many of those on the software side of things right now. Either cut them or give them the appropriate attention and resources. It's not like apple has displayed some kind of incredible discipline and focus here. |
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