[chucker]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 Wow, I love how you all defend every decision apple makes.

Only Apple hasn't even made a decision at all in this case. Not that we know of, anyway.

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 Apple has zero competitors.

Hmm, so they have 100% market share? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by chucker Hmm, so they have 100% market share? Interesting.

What competition can I run Final Cut studio on?

Not a Sony, not an HP, not an Acer, not an Asus, not a Compaq, not an E-Machine, not a Panasonic, not a Toshiba, etc.

[it5five]

So, just because I am happy that Apple offers any sort of discount, I must be rich?

I am working full time this summer to be able to buy my Mac Pro in August, so you're way off base. Almost every cent of what I make goes into savings so I can buy it.

Also, we aren't defending every decision Apple makes, we're pointing out that you are a whiny asshole who doesn't deserve the discount if you think it is terrible.

Really, 170 dollars isn't a significant amount. Get over it.

[chucker]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 What competition can I run Final Cut studio on? Not a Sony, not an HP, not an Acer, not an Asus, not a Compaq, not an E-Machine, not a Panasonic, not a Toshiba, etc.

I guess Apple's software must cater to quite an exclusive niche of the market then.

A niche, mind you, that is willing to spend more money.

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See, thats the problem, the value of 170 dollars is relative. While is may not be much to you, it is a lot to me and millions of people in the world.

Since its so insignificant, how about you paypal it to me?

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Originally Posted by chucker I guess Apple's software must cater to quite an exclusive niche of the market then. A niche, mind you, that is willing to spend more money.

No, because two years ago you could get the same set-up for 18% less when the company had significantly less money.

Instead of giving the money back to the consumers who made them rich in the first place, Apple is padding their own collective wallet and DEPLETING the wallets of whom made them rich in the first place.

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since 170 is so insignificant, please paypal it to me at tensdanny38@gmail.com

[it5five]

Using your logic, I think that the gas station here should be selling me gas for 1.50, because that's what they used to sell it for, right? I mean, I've been buying gas for years, and here they go raising the price on me, padding their own wallet and not giving back to the consumer (me) that made them rich.

GET. OVER. IT. If it is too expensive, then don't buy it. If you're going to buy it, don't bitch about it, because it isn't going to change the price.

[chucker]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 No, because two years ago you could get the same set-up for 18% less when the company had significantly less money.

No, you couldn't. Significantly lower specs, and even then, you only got it with a rebate.

What part of "rebate" is it that you don't understand? A rebated price is not the regular price. If you don't like the regular price, don't buy. It's that simple.

And don't give me that Final Cut Studio bullshit again. You can afford Final Cut Studio but you can't afford a $170 difference no your laptop?

Instead of giving the money back to the consumers who made them rich in the first place, Apple is padding their own collective wallet and DEPLETING the wallets of whom made them rich in the first place.

Yes, how dare they follow the laws of capitalism. Sons of bitches!

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Originally Posted by it5five Using your logic, I think that the gas station here should be selling me gas for 1.50, because that's what they used to sell it for, right? I mean, I've been buying gas for years, and here they go raising the price on me, padding their own wallet and not giving back to the consumer (me) that made them rich. GET. OVER. IT. If it is too expensive, then don't buy it. If you're going to buy it, don't bitch about it, because it isn't going to change the price.

That's a horrible metaphor. I'm not going to bother addressing it. You think long and hard on that one, chief.

[it5five]

Regardless of the metaphor, you are still ridiculous for bitching about a discount Apple chooses to give students.

[spikeh]

*yawn*

Anyone want to play with this ball of string?

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Originally Posted by chucker No, you couldn't. Significantly lower specs, and even then, you only got it with a rebate.

AND two years later. This notebook is the exact equivalent of what they had out two years ago in terms of technology. Except it is 18% more expensive to consumers. Hmmm.

What part of "rebate" is it that you don't understand? A rebated price is not the regular price. If you don't like the regular price, don't buy. It's that simple.

The regular price is fine. The rebate price is fine. I don't know why this is blown out of proportion. I am entitled to my opinion and I think its dissapointing(logical, but dissapointing) that they will go wtih a 129 rebate instead of a 179 or 199 like they have in previous years. Its unfortunate for students, which is ALL i've said from the beginning.

And don't give me that Final Cut Studio bullshit again. You can afford Final Cut Studio but you can't afford a $170 difference no your laptop?

It's not a matter of cost. Its a matter of premise. 170 dollar can go a long way. That's 1/2 a month rent. Imagine if everything else in life went up 18%. That house payment you make monthly went from 1000 dollars to 1180. Say you make 50,000 dollars a year. This does not increase. Say the cost of living is 40,000 dollars a year for you. If you are only making slightly more than the cost of living, and that increases by 18%, that is a significant increase.

I am going to make it a point to get 170 dollars worth of free software in protest due to Apple being a bastard.

Yes, how dare they follow the laws of capitalism. Sons of bitches!

Capitalism, sure. More like bourgeois if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by it5five Regardless of the metaphor, you are still ridiculous for bitching about a discount Apple chooses to give students.

Why? Because every other company offers 10-20% discounts and Apple offers a <5%? Is it unfair to be dissapointed that Apple cares less about the well-being and livelyhood of students than other companies?

[chucker]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 AND two years later. This notebook is the exact equivalent of what they had out two years ago in terms of technology. Except it is 18% more expensive to consumers. Hmmm.

What? What the heck are you talking about? The MacBook is a huge leap compared to a 2004 iBook.

I am going to make it a point to get 170 dollars worth of free software in protest due to Apple being a bastard.

I can't even begin to under stand the logic of "170 dollars worth of free software".

[spikeh]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 Capitalism, sure. More like bourgeois if you ask me.

Hold the phones. What the fuck?

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Originally Posted by chucker What? What the heck are you talking about? The MacBook is a huge leap compared to a 2004 iBook.

How? It has better specs, yes, but if it didn't it would be the most overpriced machine ever. Since the iBook fell in line with competition then, what does the MacBook have that make it in ahead of competition that the iBook lacked?

If anything, the MacBook has less in relative comparison to the competition, since two years ago DVD burners weren't standard, nor was DVI out, high capacity hdd, etc. The MacBook is a huge leap compared to the iBook, but it still falls short on the competitions hardware features when you compare the features that the 2004 iBook had with the 2004 competition to it.

I can't even begin to under stand the logic of "170 dollars worth of free software".

Rather than buy 170 dollars worth of software, I will acquire it using other means in protest. Just like the millions of people do to the RIAA.

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Originally Posted by spikeh Hold the phones. What the fuck?

Apple, making the rich richer, and the poor poorer. They are decreasing the value of their student discount in order to make themselves richer.

[it5five]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 I am entitled to my opinion and I think its dissapointing(logical, but dissapointing) that they will go wtih a 129 rebate instead of a 179 or 199 like they have in previous years. Its unfortunate for students, which is ALL i've said from the beginning.

Nobody even knows for sure what kind of rebate they will be doing this year. So yeah, go ahead and make a big deal out of a rumor.

Also, you're an idiot. Apple isn't making anyone buy their computers. So the poor aren't becoming poorer unless they choose to spend their money on a computer, which they shouldn't be doing in the first place if they are poor. And of course Apple wants to make money, I don't see why that bothers you so much.

[spikeh]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 Apple, making the rich richer, and the poor poorer. They are decreasing the value of their student discount in order to make themselves richer.

No, its capitalism. And bourgeois in the context you used it in also refers to capitalism, unless I've missed an obvious joke.

[FFL]

Ah, if only the rebate Terms and Conditions contained some fine print about whiney little brats not being eligible...

[chucker]

So let me get this straight. Out of a (potential! it's a rumor, sheesh!) $170 difference in rebates, to which you consider yourself "entitled", rather than showing appreciation, you make a thread about Apple as an alleged prime example of capitalism's flaws, and about the music industry.

Right.

[spikeh]

Originally Posted by chucker So let me get this straight. Out of a (potential! it's a rumor, sheesh!) $170 difference in rebates, to which you consider yourself "entitled", rather than showing appreciation, you make a thread about Apple as an alleged prime example of capitalism's flaws, and about the music industry. Right.

I've got Bono on line 3. He wants to put red paint on it and talk about Africa.

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Well Chucker, I posted my email and paypal, and have yet to see a single contribution. If it was such a meangingless sum of money, you'd think I would have seen a contribution.

[chucker]

Originally Posted by tensdanny38 Well Chucker, I posted my email and paypal, and have yet to see a single contribution. If it was such a meangingless sum of money, you'd think I would have seen a contribution.

I do in fact donate a lot, but only to people and organizations that are worth it.

[PB PM]

All this over $129... oh my gosh.

[BlueRabbit]

And we don't even know for sure if it's going to be $129 or not...

[wecallitfall]

anyone think TS could have slipped up and confused the offer with this, which started today?

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Wow!

Apple just updated their store with a 179 mail-in rebate!!

[wecallitfall]

Nothing in the UK yet

hmmmmmmmmmm