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2024-03-26, 18:10

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There were two tugboats that escorted the ship out of its mooring. Once into the harbor's open waters, they disengaged and the ship carried on under its own power. Or, lack thereof.
I guess I take issue with that area being considered open waters, what with featuring (checks notes) a bridge.
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2024-03-26, 18:44

I have no idea what the rules are, but apparently tugs are only used in that harbor for docking and departure. Those big ships are actually pretty maneuverable for their size, and this would not have happened without the power loss.

Anyway, anyone who is curious can have a play with AIS* to see just how complicated the shipping ecosystem is, and just how much of a down-range effect it's already having. If you scroll around and have a look at all the little green dots, those are the ships awaiting departure/arrival to Baltimore Harbor that now have no place to go. Down-harbor is where the mess really gets interesting. You east-coast Americans is gonna have to wait for your Chinese things.

Scroll around and you can click on arrows/dots and get the ship's info. It's pretty neat. What's really awesome is how up-to-date this system is. The current image for Dali shows her in her crashed-into-a-bridge state — excuse me, her "allision" state.

Also, an excellent video from an actual expert on the subject.

* The green, pointy-rectangle bottom-center/right is the ship in question, still making out with the bridge.

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2024-03-26, 19:49

Yeah tugs are not going to escort once the ship leaves port, they have other ships to deal with. Thankfully we have not had any big ships hit the bridges here in Vancouver, but there are three ports here in Greater Vancouver, one in the city, one up the river, and one out seaside, which is where all the really large ships go.

Stuff on what happened, and why tugs don't go the entire way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlIhoxIxM30

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2024-04-02, 15:41

On the lighter side...

Florida man (who else, honestly?) refuses to pay the $250 charge for his new tattoo...the Waffle House logo, of course.

TheSmokingGun has to be the official website of Florida. Every damn story on it is from there.

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After accepting the plea, Judge Robert Dittmer ordered Krejckant to pay a total of $675 in fines, court costs, and fees.
Good call, your honor. If the pud can't shell out the $250 for the exquisite skin art, W(here)TF do you think he's gonna come up with $675 for all the court-related stuff. Just save everyone some time and toss his butt in the clink already. He's a Floridian getting moronic tattoos. We all know he's gonna end up there eventually, anyway.
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2024-04-02, 17:40

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2024-04-03, 15:02

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On the lighter side...

Florida man (who else, honestly?) refuses to pay the $250 charge for his new tattoo...the Waffle House logo, of course.

TheSmokingGun has to be the official website of Florida. Every damn story on it is from there.



Good call, your honor. If the pud can't shell out the $250 for the exquisite skin art, W(here)TF do you think he's gonna come up with $675 for all the court-related stuff. Just save everyone some time and toss his butt in the clink already. He's a Floridian getting moronic tattoos. We all know he's gonna end up there eventually, anyway.
Sometimes the people who don’t pay aren’t the ones with no money.
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2024-04-03, 16:11

Fine. Then maybe don’t be making stupid tattoos a priority. Like all the people that used to hit me up for “spare change” at my nearby Food City. Covered in ink, head to toe, full sleeves, stomach/chest, shoulders, back, neck, some face. They can’t get a job anywhere because they look like a total goblin. Wanting me to help them with gas money (for another trip to the tattoo shop, no doubt, to get the final coloring/shading on the dragon vagina on their forehead.

If you don’t have money, maybe try to have a little sense? They shouldn’t cancel each other out. Using your brain is free.

“It’s February…do I want the heat/power on, or the Megadeth logo on my ball sack?”

Somebody, somewhere, has surely struggled with that. I probably know a few, degenerate, dipshit musician buddies.

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2024-04-03, 20:19

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“It’s February…do I want the heat/power on, or the Megadeth logo on my balk sack?”

Somebody, somewhere, has surely struggled with that. I probably know a few, degenerate, dipshit musician buddies.
Sounds like my friends ex-wife. She always chose stuff over silly things like power, and food for their kids.
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2024-04-04, 08:12

Ugh. Yeah, I've known a few. It's kinda sad.
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2024-04-07, 00:38

I'm not sure this is random anymore.
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2024-04-07, 03:38

How weird. These ships should have their power/electrical systems looked at real good. Or this is done nefarious, low-rent plotting going on. Who knows anymore, honestly. Could be robots. Unvaxxed robots acting on orders of King Charles and Ellen Degeneres (and Madonna) and the birds. Sorry, just trying to get ahead of the Alex Jones loons online. Even my joking, made-up stuff is more sensible/grounded than what they’ll float. It’s always something.
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2024-04-07, 07:52

It’s called typical cost cutting from mega corporations. To trim the “fat” in a shipping company and increase profits there isn’t much else to cut back on than maintenance.
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2024-04-07, 10:45

If that's determined to be the case, then these companies should suffer and pay through the nose...for rebuilding that damn bridge, some sort of "just because" tax/fine for being shitheads and whatever else I can come up with on a Sunday morning. This Baltimore thing strikes me as the very definition of something that "never had to happen". But someone, somewhere made it possible for it to happen, and that someone(s) need a painful kick in the nuts, be it financial or whatever. Can't be some useless buddy-buddy wrist-slap, wink-wink, nudge-nudge, etc. This has to hurt, a little or a lot.

Everything has consequences. Usually it's not destroying a city bridge and killing people, but every low-rent, corner-cutting action/decision has some sort of undesirable outcome, and when the bean-counters are put in control of what's what, bad things can happen, because that's all they see/consider. "Maintenance" on such a craft should be a top-level concern/priority. I can't believe it isn't? How much money do some of these cunts truly need, after a point? Is it worth killing people and demolishing stuff? We gonna actually send people out into space with this sort of approach/mindset? Is a privatized Challenger disaster somehow any better/preferable to one from NASA?

No, is the answer there. Yeah, you saved .15 cents each on some bolts and flanges, but the thing exploded minutes after launch and seven people died in the worst way imaginable, falling thousands of feet out of the sky, in atmosphere, while on fire. Nobody's getting bonuses this year, jackals. You just gotta figure out how to somehow get by with that $400K+ salary. Boo-hoo.

I hope this is what happened in Baltimore, and I hope a few heads roll as a result. They won't, but I can hope.

Nobody here, no matter where you stand politically/culturally, could run your lives or household the way "government" or these large corporations do. You just couldn't. You'd be in prison or the cemetery. Maybe both.


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2024-04-07, 11:25

Optimistically speaking, Baltimore is a huge story precisely because this kind of accident doesn't happen that often on such a big scale.

As for cutting costs, yeah, I'd argue that absolutely plays into it:
  • the shipping company that didn't put enough money in maintenance,
  • the manufacturer that built the parts less sturdy than they used to, requiring maintenance more frequently,
  • the city that decided you don't need tugboats (and their respective crews) in a narrow passage.

Even if there was malice involved, more investment could've mitigated this.
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2024-04-07, 13:46

We have had some cases here with the coastal ferries when a ship would come out of dry dock from repairs, only to need to go back not long after due to totally unrelated issues.

A good example was last summer they did engine repairs on one of these boats above, only to have a propeller shaft failure after it was back in service for two weeks. Most of our newer boats were made in Germany or Norway, so the quality of the boats themselves is very high.

Ship repairs aren't as easy as a car, getting space at a shipyard isn't easy, and given that some of the big container ships are at sea for months at a time things can add up quickly. Combine that with corporate cost cutting, ships coming from all over the world with different safety standards, and stuff will happen eventually.
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2024-04-07, 15:47

Of course, I don't doubt it. But every bit of that should be built-into/prepared for by these companies. If you know all that stuff, they certainly should, and allocate/respond accordingly. None of those things are an excuse, and people should have to answer for their (dangerous, life-threatening/taking) ball-dropping. Any of us here would, nobody gets a pass on "oh, it just wasn't a priority" or "we needed to push things a little further then we used to, and it bit us this time".

Yeah, no shit. Stop doing it. It's not worth the dice-roll or savings if you wind up getting your eyes sued to oblivion. I guarantee you, the incoming lawsuits - and there will be some - will absolutely swallow whatever "cost-cutting" measures/behavior they had in place. So, in the end, that sort of management/leadership/cost-cutting is the very definition of not worth it. Whatever pissbucket amount they saved on routine maintenence/upkeep they're gonna more than lose paying out to families of the folks killed. If/when negligence and mismanagement are determined to be the cause for something horrible, I'm all for lawsuits. It's the only way some of these outfits will learn. If this was just random, could've-happened-to-anyone "bad luck", that's different.

Had that Baltimore thing happened on a Wednesday or Friday afternoon, with heavy traffic on that bridge and bunch of cars/people (families, kids, etc.) going into the water, this would be a way bigger story than it seems to have been. I'm betting they see those six lives as "acceptable loss/risk". As the six dead people what they think about that. I'm not one of these hippies always carrying on about "corporations are evil" and blah, blah, but damn...sometimes, you gotta wonder. These policies originated from someone who, ultimately, doesn't give a rip about the risks and danger to employees and citizens alike. That's kinda evil, even dressed up in a nice MBA suit. This being real-life and all, no black robes or red lightsabers are required to be a shithead.
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2024-04-07, 18:56

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I guarantee you, the incoming lawsuits - and there will be some - will absolutely swallow whatever "cost-cutting" measures/behavior they had in place.
I haven't looked into where the ship from the accident was registered, but if it wasn't from the US or another western country, all I can say to those trying to sue is, good luck.
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2024-04-07, 20:57

Where there’s an ambulance-chaser, there’s a way. They’ll sue for the right to sue!
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2024-04-11, 11:26

The Juice has been squeezed.

O.J. Simpson, dead from cancer at 76.

So much I want to say, but now isn't the time or place.
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2024-04-11, 11:43

Great football player.

I'll leave it at that.
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2024-04-11, 12:20

We tend to wade into media happenings here, so here's my impression:

While I was still a young guy when OJ had his low speed chase, I was already "tuned-in," so to speak, to current events, politics, mainstream media, and a few areas of interest that skewed "academic". I watched news when most of my friends at the pubs watched Springer and WWF.

It feels like OJ changed the 24 hour news cycle forever. About a year into it, everyone watched "the news" all the time, people who couldn't spell CNN were suddenly junkies on it steady 24-7. We got every kind of trivial minutia about every character in the court room soap opera. Ito, Clark, Kato, Cochrane, Kardashian, Fuhrman, catch phrases, conspiracy theories, wardrobe analyses... It's all anyone talked about for the next 18 months while other news seemingly stopped happening anywhere else in the world. I don't think we've ever recovered. It set the formula: it was easier, and more profitable, to re-analyze the same event over and over, than tell us about other events.

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2024-04-11, 12:20

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How many people want to leave a legacy in which everyone has that attitude about you?

I hope when I die that "good riddance" isn't the theme at my funeral, and only the preacher and the worms are in attendance.



And, in some good police news:

Body camera footage shows officers saving teenage girl who nearly drowned

Good job, guys!

My dudes went in with guns, cuffs and all! Didn't take the time to unload anything heavy that could have drug them down. Now, that's love! And I'm glad to see it.

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2024-04-11, 15:04

Good post, Matsu. I’ve often thought the same thing. “People who couldn’t spell CNN…”. Cable “news” morphed into something else entirely and it’s been downhill ever since.

“Hey, Wolf Blitzer…other shit IS happening in the world besides this former football player offing his ex and her current bang.”

I’ve always believed that’s what it was, but it’s always been downplayed. He returned her glasses, yeah…hanging off his dick.

Horrible. I saw the crime scene photos, as many have. Her head was barely on. That’s not random mugger/“gimme your wallet” rage or violence. That’s “someone’s putting it two my woman and I got a chance at both of them right now, tonight!” overkill. No low-rent mugger or gang twat is gonna inflict that sort of damage on two strangers. Isn’t that just “cop stuff 101”?
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2024-04-11, 15:51

That gif just about sums it up for me.
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2024-04-12, 08:45

I lay a sizable blame on him for the rise of The Kardashians too (and thus a lot of the subsequent 'reality' grossness to follow), so I hope he's nice and toasty right now.

So it goes.
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2024-04-12, 12:03

Oh, I keep forgetting that angle. The Kardashians factor into every damn thing, don't they?

Honestly, I didn't know he was even sick, or yesterday's news wouldn't have been the out-of-nowhere surprise it was for me.

Karma is a motherfucker. Do enough bad things, or just one really bad thing, and life often has a way of evening things out.

I have to be honest. For two decades, I just assumed O.J. would die, violently, at the hands of Ron Goldman's father (or his sister).

That's the "O.J. Simpson had died" news I was prepared for/waiting on.
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2024-04-13, 16:32

Even in death, Simpson continues sticking it to the Goldman family.
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2024-04-16, 11:15

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Further to this:

Rust armourer sentenced to 18 months for Halyna Hutchins' death

That was the maximum sentence.
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2024-04-16, 13:14

Baldwin’s trial is this summer. I don’t know how he skates if they gave the person who didn’t even shoot the damn thing 18 months. He’s gotta be shaking in his boots.

If Drew and I are goofing around in the North Georgia woods and someone hands me a “prop gun” for a little comedy skit we’re filming and, while I’m holding it, it somehow goes off and sends out a bullet and plugs good ol’ drew…dead or otherwise, accident or not, my butt is going to jail. Happens all the time, accidental shootings, “I didn’t know it was loaded” horseplay, hunting accidents, etc. The person handling/shooting the gun always gets in some trouble over it. Complicated by the fact that, as producer of this stupid movie, Baldwin’s got a few more fingers in the pie, vs. just being the shooter. He hired this inexperienced armorer who apparently kinda sucks at her job. Doesn’t any of that blow back on him?

If he completely skates, what a horrible, backwards and unfair message that sends. “Our stars are untouchable, let’s set some little pisspot crew member to take the fall instead!”. I don’t think I like that.
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