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The Hoarding Packrat
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Like said a few times already: Apple has homosexual employees. This isn't a non-company issue.
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* I use religious, because as an atheist, civil union is enough for me (assuming it's simply marriage in a secular name). But I support 'gay religion', because it is an oppression of religious GBLTs' *cough* right to holily marry, as they see it. I really don't understand actually how 'gay religion' hasn't been used to make more headway, because the US is supposed to have the freedom of religion, and if GLBTs' religion says it's fine for them to marry, it's a matter of the oppression of religion. Hm... I can't wait for "Go small government!" to get out of the marriage business. IMO, standing up and being for it is a little better than neutral, and while I had no problem with Apple before this donation, I have even less a problem with them now. |
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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As others have already pointed out, this action both directly and indirectly benefits Apple. By standing up in the face of bigotry, Apple is showing that it cares about progressive social issues and that it is trying to protect the rights of its workers. Like it or not, state-sanctioned marriage has over a thousand (literally, from gao.gov) legal and financial benefits.
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What if this was an amendment to the California constitution to prevent interracial people from marrying? Or to prevent non-christians from marrying? Or any other arbitrary combination that certain religious groups disapprove? What's next, sinners who haven't repented or been saved can't marry? It boils down to the simple matter of enacting sexual discrimination into the state constitution. By not voting when given the chance, you're saying that you don't care that people are losing rights to no fault of their own. The quality of this board depends on the quality of the posts. The only way to guarantee thoughtful, informative discussion is to write thoughtful, informative posts. AppleNova is not a real-time chat forum. You have time to compose messages and edit them before and after posting. |
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Formerly Roboman, still
awesome Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
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I think one of either two things will inevitably happen. Either A), the government will "allow" gay couples to marry (and get all the legal benefits that entails), or B) the government will get the fuck out of the marriage business. Civil unions would serve the legal side of things, "marriage" would be a purely religious term, and it would be up to the religious bodies to decide who can marry whom. As long as everybody can enjoy the legal benefits of civil unions, I don't give a shit, and religious fundamentalists can keep their precious "sanctity of marriage." (Bigotry would, of course, continue to exist, but at least it wouldn't be encoded in our laws.) Many people would continue to join in a civil union and marriage at the same time, although I think people who don't really care about religion would increasingly "only" join in civil unions. I say that's inevitable, because I really don't think things are suddenly going to go back to the olden days when nobody admitted to being gay. (I'd contest there was never really such a time, but whatevs.) No matter how much fundies would love to force our nation to regress to some Puritanical era, that's simply not the direction things are headed. Even if Prop 8 passes this year, I'm sure it will, eventually, become nullified. After all, it is plainly discriminatory. Even its proponents will tell you that. And I don't think the people who want to discriminate ever win for very long. America loves to lag behind the rest of the world on these sorts of things, which is embarrassing. But eventually we'll get there. We always do. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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Can't agree with you more here. You're totally right. Equal rights for gays are only a matter of time. Something like Prop 8 passing would only be a minor setback, a delay. There is a tidal wave (a rainbow tidal wave!) on its way and it doesn't matter how much people want to stop it. All they can do is delay it here and there.
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The Hoarding Packrat
Join Date: Oct 2005
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I assumed that weren't the case; so, no, it's not enough. I always thought of civil union as a secular marriage in heterosexual-only civil union states (if those exist?..), but apparently I was wrong and I guess even atheists get 'married', just by a judge then. But that's what civil union should be: government "marriage" that doesn't discriminate. Let the churches marry. Oh but that would be to disestablishmentarianistic...
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Selfish Heathen
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Zone of Pain
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The Hoarding Packrat
Join Date: Oct 2005
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