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psmith2.0
Mr. Farmiga
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
 
2021-09-14, 09:27

That the smallest model is $699 is a bite. I still think it’s a perception thing with many. That mini maybe shouldn’t exist at Cadillac tire/pricing. It didn’t have to.

If its popularity is running behind the others, I don’t think it’s the size itself but the pricing for that size, which, right or wrong, people see as a down-step.

Those larger models were always in that general price range. Then they stuck the mini in there at that $699(!) and then scooted the “regular” size up another $100. The regular 12 would be wonderful at $699 and the mini at $599. I think that would've helped. W(hen)TF did the baseline "non-pro" iPhone get to be $800?!?

If they raise them all even [i]more[/] today, vs. maybe the other way around…good grief.

Will that mean the non-mini/non-pro iPhone 13 might be $899?! Screw that. How about putting something nice/flagship in that ~$600 range as you managed to do for years and years?

Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2021-09-14 at 10:57. Reason: Because the shitball autocorrect on my iPhone makes me sound like a crazy person who can't write/spell
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turtle
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Formerly turtle2472
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
 
2021-09-14, 09:46

I tell you what I "hate", all the great features in a "Max" phone. I'm not likely to ever get an iPad mini with cellular capabilities and that is what the Max feels like. No thanks. I have an iPad already. Give me the good cameras in the smaller/mid-sized phones. Make them thicker if you need. No need to give a camera bump, just even out the phone and fill the rest of the space with battery.

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709
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory.
 
2021-09-14, 10:33

Totally agree. If Apple put out an iPhone Pro Mini with the same camera specs as the Pro/Max I bet it would sell like crazy.
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psmith2.0
Mr. Farmiga
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
 
2021-09-14, 11:02

People wouldn't mind paying $699 for it, I bet.

Yeah, don't hobble/lessen stuff and then jack it up $100. Who the hell does that?

Well, Apple.

I'm not even enough of a photographer or "pro" (whatever that means when applied to a phone) to ever look at those models, but the whole platform is slowly ending up. I thought that's the opposite of what should happen over time with stuff like this?
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worthingtonducote
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Join Date: May 2022
 
2022-05-24, 11:09

I totally agree with you! I mean, the phone, the iPhone mini, is a truly great toy actually, with some top hardware, but the price, it's way too much. You can get a much better smartphone for the same price. I think they did a great thing by adding such a phone to their model list, but they should have done better on the pricing. I would have bought a mini instead of my iPhone 13, but when I saw the price and how bad the battery was, I understood that it was not worth it. Sometimes I have to use a temp phone number australia for a couple of hours straight, and that phone would die after 2 hours of constant usage.

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kscherer
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
 
2022-05-24, 11:19

They're only too expensive for people living in Toledo. The rest of us have no problem.
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psmith2.0
Mr. Farmiga
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
 
2022-05-24, 11:44

The great state of Ohio aside, it looks like the iPhone mini is going away this fall, with phone sizes matching across the iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro lines:

6.1" iPhone 14
6.7" iPhone 14 Max

6.1" iPhone 14 Pro
6.7" iPhone 14 Pro Max.

Which, in my mind, then leaves that smaller 5.4" from the "failed" iPhone mini to serve as the platform for a nice, fourth-generation SE redesign in 2023-2024.

Makes sense to me. The cheaper phone, in the minds of many, should be smaller (even if that's exactly what many of us prefer). Leave the 6.1"+ biggies for the flagship $699+ models. The iPhone mini - 5.4" + premium pricing - probably didn't stand an honest chance. That smaller size should've never been inserted into the $700+ flagship lineup, IMO. It was always better suited for the ~$400 SE line, in some future update.

I'm betting that's exactly what happens in the next 18 or so months. The full-face, no-home-button iPhone design will make its way down, finally, to the SE tier. It'll just be properly "de-premiumed" (non-OLED display, single camera, fewer color options, not the latest, cutting-edge cellular radio, etc.) to fall in line with SE specs/pricing.

There is precedent. The 5s (once a "flagship") became the basis for the first SE. The iPhone 8 (once a "flagship") became the basis for the current SE design. Seems like a no-brainer that the iPhone 12-13 mini will be reborn as a redesigned, fourth-generation SE in another year or two.

Smaller = cheaper
Larger = premium

Right or wrong, that's just what people - and companies - seem to believe/expect. Tough to ask people to pay $699+ for the smallest phone in the lineup. People think they should get "more" for that kind of money...screen size, battery life, faster this, better that, etc. Bad idea from the get-go, IMO. Some things in life you do pay a premium for the smaller version. I just don't think an iPhone is one of them.

If iPhones - like everything else - are just going to keep slowly increasing in price as time goes on, then the smaller design should always be for the SE line, where it kinda makes sense. Eventually, I fear, iPhones are going to start at $799...and the SE will probably find its way to $499 if a few months ago is anything to go by (I wasn't expecting that $30 bump). I can easily see Apple using the full-screen, 4.7"->5.4" jump to justify a $479-499 starting price on a fourth-generation SE.

I hope I didn't say that too loud...

But that would still be quite a phone for pretty much anyone!

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turtle
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Formerly turtle2472
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
 
2022-05-24, 13:58

If the mini turns into the SE I'll replace my mini with that year's SE when I finally replace this one. I love my small phone. I thought I would really miss the extra camera but I don't REALLY miss it. Just kinda and no where near enough to justify a phone larger than my pocket.

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