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kieran
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2008-01-08, 08:50

Apple just released an updated Mac Pro.

Press Release

I didn't read it yet because Mac Pro's really arent my thing, but I wish they were.

I guess Steve has plenty to talk about next week if he let an update get released a week before MW.

Hopefully that's what this means.


EDIT: 8 cores are now standard! That's crazy. Those computers are fast as all hell.

EDIT 2- The post on TUAW also mentions new Xserves in the comments, Here's a link

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2008-01-08, 09:18

This is getting me excited for Monday...
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2008-01-08, 09:19

Same with me. If they are releasing stuff a week before MWSF they must have something really really good. Yippee
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2008-01-08, 09:26

Agreed this will take care of the pro users, leaving the whole keynote for Leopard, iPhone, and the "One More Thing" sweet
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2008-01-08, 09:32

Hmm... that's a pretty big announcement to do "on the low"...

BTW, Does this mean that Intel finally has independent Per-CPU FSBs? It looks like it, and this is absolutely HUGE news.
Going from a shared 1333Mhz bus (666 effective per processor) to dual 1600Mhz is a massive improvement.
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With the fastest Xeon architecture available, the new Mac Pro features 1600MHz dual independent frontside buses.

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2008-01-08, 09:34

Wow, that wasn't what I was expecting to hear today. But definitely good news.
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Eugene
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2008-01-08, 09:40

Waiting on the Apple Store to pop back up, but as I predicted the gap between iMac and Mac Pro has widened again... 8-cores and a higher 'standard' price of $2799. Hopefully the single Xeon model at least comes in below the old baseline of around $2100.

xMac please.
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2008-01-08, 09:44

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Waiting on the Apple Store to pop back up, but as I predicted the gap between iMac and Mac Pro has widened again... 8-cores and a higher 'standard' price of $2799. Hopefully the single Xeon model at least comes in below the old baseline of around $2100.

xMac please.
Interesting... Interesting... Will there the single-Xeon model last long? A Single CPU isn't much difference cost-wise, but Apple has to make a significant difference price-wise...
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2008-01-08, 10:17

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Interesting... Interesting... Will there the single-Xeon model last long? A Single CPU isn't much difference cost-wise, but Apple has to make a significant difference price-wise...
What's amusing is the closest Dell is the Precision T7400, which costs over $4200 in the same configuration as the $2800 Mac Pro (need to add AppleCare though, so it probably comes to $3150), so it's still an amazing value. The problem the bang for the buck is out of reach for most.

EDIT: And they use the slower 1333 MHz processors + 667 MHz FB-DIMMs.

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2008-01-08, 10:21

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Hopefully the single Xeon model at least comes in below the old baseline of around $2100.

xMac please.
I'm hoping for even lower at around $1800.
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2008-01-08, 10:44

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I'm hoping for even lower at around $1800.
*Sigh*

$2299.
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2008-01-08, 10:45

Holy crap.

Well, I hope new screens, including that funky laptop port version, are in the offing then.
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Yonzie
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2008-01-08, 10:49

Same price as the 24" iMac Extreme...
Does this leave room for the xMac? Hmm...
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2008-01-08, 10:50

Nice update but now it's tough to decide between the MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro.

Does anybody know if you can buy the Quad-Core first and put in a second CPU later?
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2008-01-08, 10:54

I don't think so / I wouldn't count on it.

I notice the RAM listed as "800MHz DDR2"... [never mind... this is new RAM]

Because Crucial is listing "0" as the number of products that fit "800MHz DDR2 Fully Buffered ECC"

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2008-01-08, 10:59

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I don't think so / I wouldn't count on it.

I notice the RAM listed as "800MHz DDR2"... same DIMMS as before right (or were those 667MHz)?
Old Mac Pros used Fully-Buffered DDR2-667.
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2008-01-08, 11:03

Same RAM as before, only 800Mhz instead. (Meaning it still uses FB-DIMMS with ECC)
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2008-01-08, 11:03

Thanks doods... I just realized that looking at the current OWC page. Looks like the newer RAM is hard to find right now. Was trying to compare prices on the street with my store-discount price...

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Eugene
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2008-01-08, 11:05

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Hmm... that's a pretty big announcement to do "on the low"...

BTW, Does this mean that Intel finally has independent Per-CPU FSBs? It looks like it, and this is absolutely HUGE news.
Going from a shared 1333Mhz bus (666 effective per processor) to dual 1600Mhz is a massive improvement.
Pretty sure the old Mac Pros had "dual independent" 1333 MHz FSBs too.

One thing to remember though is that Intel quads are still two dual-cores on a multichip module so in effect there are two processors per bus. And on top of that the two "quads" can't talk to each other directly as Opterons currently can (and Nehalem later).
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2008-01-08, 11:08

Mmmm. Nehalem.

Still the benchmarks look pretty solid for the Penryn beasts, though the PS improvement is pretty marginal (20%), sadly for people like me. Although when you're running an old 2GHz G5 the 3GHz Penryn Mac Pro would pwn what I'm using now like nobody's b'ness.

Since I'm low on expendable cash though, no time like the present to wait a bit longer. Will be a month before they ship anyway.

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2008-01-08, 11:12

Well the old boys can stop their complaining today about not having good enough video cards, since you can slap an Nvidia 8800GT in those puppies!
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2008-01-08, 12:02

I have a Power Mac G5 Quad... I´ll wait for the reviews. I want to buy either an OCTO 2.8 or a 3.0 but I need to know the differences. I dont know if the 800 bucks upgrade from one to other worth it.
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2008-01-08, 12:35

It's not. Well, it's not to me. IMHO, by the time that extra 200MHz matters, I'll have bought another computer.
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Yonzie
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2008-01-08, 12:42

It's 7% faster... Not something you're gonna notice. Especially not at $800(!!! )

Use the money for extra memory (not from Apple) or a 30" screen (now THAT is a noticeable improvement )

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2008-01-08, 12:53

Somebody told me that I could make the upgrade for the 8800GT video card and also add 4 gb -not from apple of course-
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2008-01-08, 12:57

I'm trying to buy the 2.8 GHz octo right now, and the store is getting *hammered*. I can't even get through the order process. And yeah I agree that $800 to go from 2.8 to 3 GHz isn't really worth it. And the $1600 jump to 3.2 GHz probably isn't either, unless you really need every ounce of processing power.

But I love that you can get the 8800GT card now, and that you can BTO a 1 TB drive (or 4 of them), and even a 300 GB 15,000 RPM SAS drive! And that they come with a baseline 2 GB of RAM, in 2 1 GB sticks by default. Gives you more options.
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Yonzie
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2008-01-08, 12:57

I'm not sure about the graphics card. On the PC, they need a BIOS to initialize it, Apple systems don't. Traditionally, Macs have needed special graphics cards, and it doesn't seem to change for some reason. Maybe when the PC world moves to EFI...

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2008-01-08, 13:05

Your right, the Mac version of the video cards have EFI on them, not a BIOS, so unless you only plan to use the machine in Windows (under bootcamp) you'll need the Mac version of the card.
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2008-01-08, 13:12

Of Course. What I wanted to say is that Im going to buy the 2.8 with the 8800GT and later on the 4 gb of RAM.

The only problem is that the Macpro with the 8800GT is 3-5 weeks (luckily i´ll wait a moth or so hoping that they solve that)
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2008-01-08, 13:22

If it will arrive in about a month if your order now, why wait a month and then order? Just curious.
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