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For all that is good and holy, why?
Why must Disney ruin everything? Unless it's a dark reboot focusing on the drug addled lives of our favorite toys in a post-apocalyptic nuclear winterland... that might be enjoyable. next up ratatouille in nyc, meets a nice subway rat, gets riv, dies. and we cannot forget wall-e, where forty years in the future we see the same scenes from the beginning of the original for two hours. |
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Seriously, though. TS2 is usually considered one of the best sequels ever, and is one of the highest rated films ever at RT. I'm willing to give Pixar the benefit of the doubt with this one - it is, after all, their "flagship" franchise. Cars 2, well, I wasn't a huge fan of the first one, so I'm not as optimistic there. But the kiddies will love it. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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He's talking about ways to make Pixar films depressing. In Ratatouille, Remy would get a disease, in Wall-E, we would just see mountains of garbage (like in the opening) for two hours, etc. It was some sort of joke about Batman-style "dark" reboots, I think...?
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Yeah, but the first hour of Wall-E was the best part!
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I love all of Wall-E but I sort of have to agree there. And that part had virtually no dialogue - just animation.
Really, really f'ing good animation. This thread opens up old wounds. Wall-E deserved Best Picture. Slumdog Millionaire? Really? I just don't think, fifty years on, that one will have stood the test of time. It's just not as universal. Or...good. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Well it did at least get Best Animated Picture.
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...and that's why I hate that award.
People complain about documentaries and foreign films being marginalized with their own dedicated awards, too. But I think the BAP award is even worse because it's so arbitrary. It's not like animation dictates a totally different type of film, like documentaries do (that's non-fiction vs. fiction). It just means the image was produced a certain way. That's it. You can make an animated horror film or an animated drama - hell, an animated documentary, even! So it makes no sense for it to have its own award. (Yes, technically an animated film could still be nominated for BP, just as a documentary can, but I don't think that's ever going to happen - if it would have happened, it would have happened last year.) In Wall-E's case, BAP was basically a non-award. There was no contest - what, they were honestly going to give it to Kung Fu Panda? Even DreamWorks knew not to hope for that. The fact that there was no legitimate contest suggests that maybe Wall-E should have been allowed to compete with the "real films" for BP, but instead I'd wager BAP played a role in keeping Wall-E from scoring a BP nod. If the award hadn't been created, I think Wall-E would have been nominated. I'd support a Best Animation award, just as there's an award for Costume Design and Visual Effects. But BAP? An award intended to promote animation has done just the opposite, IMO. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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can you tell I have had a shit week? in a shit year? in a shit decade? it certainly doesn't help things that i no longer can vent to my girlfriend as she is now an ex... |
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From the Disney vaults!
Snow White and the Surviving Dwarves Little Mermaid 3: The Harrowing of Atlantis The Lion Bloodthirsty Autocrat Mary Poppins On Asphalt |
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I expect it to be outstanding. As for Cars 2, Pixar has already responded to the concern and criticism about it, and said the only reason why they decided to do it was because they truly believe they have a better script than the first Cars. |
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Slumdog Millionaire's win was a statement saying "hey India, we need your funding!" Economically speaking Asia is on the rise and America on the decline, so Hollywood's lookin' ahead. |
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Not really feeling Toy Story...I had high hopes for Wall-E, but it was sort of a letdown for me.
Up on the other hand, going to see that in the morning. |
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One of the main reasons for the Disney/Pixar dustup a few year back was TS3. Pixar left Disney's distro and Disney announced they were going to make TS3 without Pixar as per their contract agreement. Then Disney bought Pixar and Pixar people are now running Disney's animation department. The first thing they did was throw out the TS3 script and all the work they'd done on it, and started from scratch so it's in good hands now.
The next Disney hand-drawn film is The Frog Prince story retold as The Princess & The Frog is the first under the aegis of Lasseter/Pixar, and is so well thought of it's being saved until December, and will be a huge hit for the main reason that Oprah is in it and she will tell her people to go see it, and see it again, again.......yes Oprah we will see it....... "What's a Canadian farm boy to do?" |
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Toy Story 3 teaser trailer up at Apple: http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney...ser_large.html
I think it's interesting that the Toy Story franchise has an iconic look (brighter, flatter lighting, more primary colors, less intricately detailed surfaces than subsequent Pixar releases) that has as much to do with the limits of what they could do when they made the original as anything else, but which they're sticking with as a matter of production design. Although subtly inflected, of course-- there's a moment in the teaser when the slinky dog slingshots herself out of the frame and Woody does one of those little "that must hurt" reactions that would have been beyond the limited polygon counts of the first version. That which doesn't kill you weakens you slightly and makes you less able to cope until you're completely incapacitated |
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Really? I had high expectations for Wall-E and came away pretty satisfied, but nothing so far about Up has gotten me really intrigued. The earlier trailer that just showed the old guy lifting off with the kid on the porch looked kind of interesting, but the subsequent more adventuresome trailer(s) have made it seem like any other campy "lets go somewhere and encounter some silly hijinks along the way" summer movie, not necessarily anything of real substance like most other Pixar movies.
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I have higher expectations for Up than I did for Wall*E. I honestly think this is going to be Pixar's masterpiece, and throw a real wrench into the assumptions that an animated picture shouldn't be able to garner the "Best Picture" AW (Roboman = ). Truly.
From what little I've heard it's not a "kids movie" and is fairly dark for a mainstream animation. So it goes. |
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The story ended up being incredibly bleak. Every character other than Wall-E and Eve was forgettable, and even they were handcuffed with non-speaking roles. There's only so much you can get out of "Waaaaaalleeeee" and "Eeeeeeve" repeated 1000x throughout a film.
Up on the other hand, if you actually read about it...there's a real plot to it that gets revealed in the first moments of the movie. |
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Well, I'd wholeheartedly agree with the idea that the first part of Wall*E was the best, but I enjoyed the movie as a whole. Really, I thought it was more interesting because of the whole retelling/reinvention of the Eden mythology. I never imagined Pixar would go to a place like that conceptually, but I think it worked.
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I liked Cars, I dunno why it gets such a bad rap. I'd put Cars ahead of The Incredibles any day. I would prefer Pixar not to do Cars 2 though. Toy Story 1 & 2 are classics and I hope they do more of the same with Toy Story 3.
Pixar are re-releasing 1 & 2 in Cinemas in 3D-Only around in November & Spring to lead up to 3 in June '10 USA gets UP this weekend I think, we dont get until October Wall*E was fantastic, defo in my Top 3 Pixar Movies |
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Pixar's pre-Cars films are finally hitting Blu-ray, by the way. A Bug's Life just came out, and a 3-disc (!) set for Monsters Inc. is supposed to be out in November (although Amazon doesn't currently list a date). I'd imagine they'll release TS and TS2 on Blu-ray after their 3D cinema releases, leading up to TS3.
That would just leave Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. One in late 2010, one in early 2011 and then my collection can be complete. Finally. (Only took them half a decade...) In case anyone is wondering: Snow White Blu-ray: October 2009 Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 Blu-ray: Spring 2010 Beauty and the Beast Blu-ray: October 2010 With three Disney re-releases (including B&TB!) and the strong possibility of three Pixar re-releases, 2010 is looking to be the best year for animated Blu-rays since ever. It almost makes me forgive the cancellation of Fantasia 2006/2010, almost. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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No, that wasn't the point...it was a stylistic choice...it made sense to do, but it was still a handcuff. That was the whole they dug for themselves. The point of the movie was to give robots sentience and personality.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that none of the robot characters in Wall-E have mouths, or mouth analogues? The conceptual crux of the movie was a love story between two robots. The artistic crux of the movie was using animation, not merely words, to make the robots seem like emotional beings. And the thematic crux of the movie was an ecological theme. They all worked together beautifully. The non-verbal communication allowed Wall-E and Eve to express their feelings in a uniquely robotic way, and the lack of reliance of dialogue underscored the universality of the film's message. If the lack of dialogue in the film was some tacked-on effort to make the film feel high-brow, you might have a point. But it's integral to the film. I mean, can you even imagine watching the film with Wall-E and Eve conversing fluently throughout? It would be a totally different picture. And a much less successful one, IMO. and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong |
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Up was outstanding, definitely in the top 3 Pixar movies. Great movie all around. Animation was beautiful, and the writing was terrific and smart. |
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