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Matsu
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2021-03-05, 07:15

Isn't a feature of thunderbolt/lightening ports that the devices can be daisy chained? So long as device has two ports you just plug each into the next on the chain. I've never actually used it this way, and maybe not that many devices support it properly or even come with a second port for cost reasons, but that would certainly help clutter if used with a selection of appropriately short cords...

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2021-03-05, 11:46

There aren't a whole lot of those things out there. TB daisy-chaining is the best thing going, but it's expensive, so not much of it to chose from.

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2021-03-06, 09:37

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The iMac Pro was a stop gap measure to slow the bleed of pro users, I don’t see it staying around long.
"Apple appears to be on the verge of discontinuing the iMac Pro".

[edit]: Apple confirms in a follow-up article.

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2021-03-06, 10:37

I wonder how these old intel iMacs would serve as windows machines?
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2021-03-06, 12:36

Not too bad is my bet. I find the older machines (2009-2012) run better in Windows 10 than the most modern versions of Mac OS they support in terms of speed and responsiveness overall. Mac OS seems to be much harder on old hardware than Windows, different philosophies of OS design. Apple is always pushing forward with the latest and greatest stuff, which is great when you are using the hardware for 3-5 years, but beyond that it’s not so good as they drop support for things that were designed for that older hardware. MS always pushes legacy support, sometimes too much, but it is beneficial for older hardware.

Some examples, when Apple dropped OpenGL as supported graphics drivers, older machines took a big performance hit since they didn’t work with the new APIs. Windows uses DirectX with extensive support for older hardware, so it’s a non-issue. Apple’s response to Spector and Meltdown patches also seemed to hit performance far more in Mac OS than what MS did in Windows.
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2021-03-06, 18:32

The most interesting thing about the iMac Pro cancellation is the timing.

I've been thinking the Pro Apple Silicon machines will get introduced at WWDC and debut in the early fall.

If a professional Mac is being EOL'd in early March, does that confirm at WWDC announcement or a Spring Apple Event?
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2021-03-06, 19:32

And maybe this also brings Space Gray options to the upper levels of the iMac line?

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2021-03-06, 19:41

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If a professional Mac is being EOL'd in early March, does that confirm at WWDC announcement or a Spring Apple Event?
The only thing it confirms is that the iMac Pro was a stop-gap system prior to the current Mac Pro tower, but we already knew this. It will not likely be replaced.

Besides, the current MacBook Air makes that thing look silly in just about every way (other than top-of-the-Mac-line GPU performance). The next iMac, whatever it is, is going to dance Road Runner-level circles around it, so why keep selling it?

I suspect WWDC is the next event that will see more M-series machines. Total redesigns of the iMac and MacBook Pro. Then an M2-based Air and Mini in the fall, and the Mac Pro at WWDC next year with the M2X Pro chip. Then we will be on a regular, annual cycle where the low-end systems are updated first with M chips, and then the middle tier with Mx chips, and then the big daddy with Mx Pro chips.

I am predicting a chip line something like M, Mx, and Mx Pro, like this:

MacBook Air, 21-ish iMac, and Mac Mini: M

MacBook Pro, 27-ish iMac, Mac Mini Pro: Mx

Mac Pro: Mx Pro

This year the 27" Intel iMacs will hang around while their eventual replacements get Mx processors, and the 21" model will be completely replaced with an M version. The 13" Intel MacBook Pro will stick around while the 13" M version is replaced with a 14" Mx version; the 16" Intel MacBook Pro will be replaced with an Mx version, and next year the Mac Pro will be replaced with an Mx Pro version. The differences in the chips will be in core counts, RAM support, and PCIe slot support.

At least that's what I'm hoping for. I think Apple needs to hang on to a couple Intel things for another year to support the Windows hanger-ons, but I suspect it will go away sooner rather than leter. Either Microsoft licenses Windows for ARM, or Macs dump it altogether and good riddance.

But I'm just stabbing around a bit.

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2021-03-06, 19:41

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The most interesting thing about the iMac Pro cancellation is the timing.
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Intel discontinued the CPU, so Apple can’t order more parts. That’s all this is.

(Why didn’t Apple upgrade to a newer CPU? That’s more complicated.)
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2021-03-18, 11:14

As of this morning, we have been told that the 21" 4K 512GB SSD and 1TB SSD options are no longer available for order.

So, is it due to a component shortage, or is a rev imminent? Hmmm …

And what about this thought: The 27" iMac Intel machines hang around for another 6 months to a year, and the 2021 iMac revs to a 24" 5k screen in 5 colors, and that's it. No 21", no 27", just a single 24" option in 5 colors. Perhaps a processor option: M1 is standard in 8GB and 16GB models, and the M1X is optional in 16GB and 32GB models?

Just a thought.

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2021-03-18, 12:36

My guess is the chip shortages, but it could be a sign of a new model too. Really hard to tell right now.
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2021-03-18, 12:47

The 256GB models are still available and shipping rather quickly. Naturally Apple does not say why, so we have to guess.
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2021-03-19, 08:13

I'd lean toward chips given the 256GB are still around.
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2021-03-19, 20:22

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As of this morning, we have been told that the 21" 4K 512GB SSD and 1TB SSD options are no longer available for order.

So, is it due to a component shortage, or is a rev imminent? Hmmm …

And what about this thought: The 27" iMac Intel machines hang around for another 6 months to a year, and the 2021 iMac revs to a 24" 5k screen in 5 colors, and that's it. No 21", no 27", just a single 24" option in 5 colors. Perhaps a processor option: M1 is standard in 8GB and 16GB models, and the M1X is optional in 16GB and 32GB models?

Just a thought.
That would mean asking 27" users to settle for a lower-end machine, meaning Apple would be leaving money on the table.

Apple does not leave money on the table.
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2021-03-19, 22:31

Apple leaves money on the table all the time. By not updating the 16-inch MBP for a year and a half (and counting), for example. Their beefiest laptop, stuck on a two-generations-old Intel CPU.
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2021-03-19, 23:23

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Apple leaves money on the table all the time. By not updating the 16-inch MBP for a year and a half (and counting), for example. Their beefiest laptop, stuck on a two-generations-old Intel CPU.
Yes, but that's just a reflection of the transition to M1X (or whatever they call it.)

They're biding their time until the big unveil is ready. They're not going to update a mid-range MBP and then suggest their high-end customers buy that instead.

Sending 27" iMac customers down to a 24" model is upside-down for Apple. They would more likely release the larger size at a premium price, and tell the 21" customers there's a big chip shortage and to cool their jets in the meantime.
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2021-03-20, 22:50

Of course, today Apple pulled the higher end configs of the 21" iMac and left the lower end ones available.

So there's always the chance I have no idea what's actually going on.
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2021-04-03, 20:53

There's another report of a bigger iMac coming soon.

The new Apple Silicon iMacs could release in April. But if they do arrive mid-to-late April, won't most of us wait anyway to see what's announced at WWDC in early June before hitting the Buy button?
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2021-04-04, 09:26

WWDC doesn’t tend to have hardware launches, unless it’s a Pro model. I don’t see Apple refreshing the iMac Pro, and the Mac Pro isn’t going to be priced anything like an iMac, not something I’d wait for.

Even if the launch the new iMacs I suspect supply will be limited, due to issues outside of Apple’s control. I don’t know that I could see them launching the iMac models at different times.
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2021-04-04, 12:48

It’d be rare to announce some Macs in April and then more Macs just two months later.
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2021-04-04, 22:14

1) The iMac Pro is done, and will not be returning. It was a stop-gap, and we all know that.

2) The next iMac with an M1x will blow the doors off of everything that Apple is currently doing, including the Intel Mac Pro.

3) The M2x Pro Mac Pro is next year on the early side.

4) When the M2x Pro* Mac Pro does launch, it will blow the doors off of … well … everything else.

5) New iMacs are imminent, but in the Apple world that could be April, WWDC in June, December, or Tuesday.

6) I can't %^$# wait!

* I am using M2X Pro because by the time the Mac Pro launches, we will be into the 2nd generation M-series, and the Mac Pro will use a very special version of the chip (or 2-4 of them) rather than the Mx itself.

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