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kscherer
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2022-09-07, 14:47

Capella is way better at this than Ken (hint, hint).
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Brad
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2022-09-07, 15:29

I fear under-screen touch ID may never be coming.

I still hope they're working on that in some underground laboratory.
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2022-09-07, 15:30

iPhone 14 vs. 13:
  • crash detection
  • front-camera autofocus
  • 20 instead of 19 hours video playback battery life
  • 5- instead of 4-core GPU, but still the A15
  • slightly lighter, but also slightly thicker
  • main camera: ƒ/1.5 aperture instead of /1.6
  • photonic engine
  • cinematic mode now does 4K at 30 fps instead of just 1080p
  • action mode (I think this is improved video optical image stabilization)
  • front camera: ƒ/1.9 aperture instead of /2.2
  • same cinematic mode improvement
  • no more CDMA model
  • Bluetooth 5.3 instead of 5.0
  • US only: no more SIM card slot
  • high dynamic range gyro vs. three-axis gyro
  • high-g accelerometer instead of regular
  • dual ambient light sensors instead of one

iPhone 14 Plus vs. 14:
  • bigger screen (duh)
  • bigger battery life
  • inconsistent name
  • same camera

iPhone 14 Pro vs. 13 Pro:
  • always-on display
  • dynamic island instead of notch
  • crash detection
  • 48 MP main camera isntead of 12
  • front-camera autofocus
  • slightly better battery life
  • A16 instead of A15. Notably, they didn't talk about performance much.
  • screen estate has increased; ppi is the same
  • 2000 nits peak outdoor brightness
  • slightly taller, less wide, thicker, and heavier
  • apertures: Main: ƒ/1.78 vs. /1.5, Ultra Wide: ƒ/2.2 vs. /1.8, Telephoto: ƒ/2.8 vs. 2.8. That seems worse?
  • Second-generation sensor-shift optical image stabilization
  • true tone flash is now… adaptive
  • photonic engine
  • cinematic mode now does 4K at 30 fps instead of just 1080p
  • action mode (I think this is improved video optical image stabilization)
  • no more CDMA model
  • Bluetooth 5.3 instead of 5.0
  • US only: no more SIM card slot
  • GPS is now dual-frequency
  • high dynamic range gyro vs. three-axis gyro
  • high-g accelerometer instead of regular
  • dual ambient light sensors instead of one

I'm not comparing the 14 Pro Max; I presume it's the same changes.
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2022-09-07, 15:31

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I fear under-screen touch ID may never be coming.

I still hope they're working on that in some underground laboratory.
Face ID is a fair amount better in iOS 16 since it works in landscape. So, fewer scenarios where it doesn't recognize you because the phone is laying on a table, bed, etc.

I still kind of miss the explicit consent of Touch ID, though.
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PB PM
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2022-09-07, 18:55

Is this the first time Apple has not upgraded the CPU in the flagship phones? Seems like it. Best I could gather was that there wouldn’t be any meaningful change from the A15 of last year.
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Quagmire
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2022-09-07, 19:18

3G had the same CPU as original. So have to go back to 2008….
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drewprops
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2022-09-07, 19:26

Do they expect the 15 to finally get Apple's first modem?


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kieran
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2022-09-07, 21:12

I've been using a 13 mini for the last year, and I absolutely love the size, but I just cannot get used to not having the best cameras on my iPhone.

I'm glad to see the actual white iPhone come back, and I would normally order that, I'm tempted by the deep purple one this year.
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turtle
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2022-09-08, 08:10

I really do like the way Apple is hiding the pill. Makes it less obvious it is there, though the name is interesting.

The camera is nice from the specs, but I'm not upgrading this year. I love my mini 13 and no plans to let it go.

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Matsu
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2022-09-08, 10:09

Here's a good breakdown of the camera system improvements:

DPReview iPhone 14Pro coverage

It looks like they've upsized both the main camera sensor and the ultrawide sensor so the effective apertures in both are still larger than in the 13Pro, though the differences may not be that great.

iPhone 13Pro
main camera (26mm equivalent) = f//1.5 x 4.6x = f/6.9 (35mm equivalent)
ultrawide camera (13mm equivalent) = f/1.8 x 8.7x = f/15.66 (35mm equivalent)

iPhone 14Pro
main camera (24mm equivalent) = f/1.78 x 3.5x = f/6.3 (35mm equivalent)
ultrawide camera (13mm equivalent) = f/2.2 x 6.2x = f/13.64 (35mm equivalent)

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Capella
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2022-09-08, 17:35

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Originally Posted by kieran View Post
I've been using a 13 mini for the last year, and I absolutely love the size, but I just cannot get used to not having the best cameras on my iPhone.

I'm glad to see the actual white iPhone come back, and I would normally order that, I'm tempted by the deep purple one this year.
so now 14 mini? wild. I'm happy with my SE2 but minis are lovely sized...
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2022-09-08, 18:54

Think I might snap up a 13 mini before they are gone.
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2022-09-08, 20:19

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so now 14 mini? wild. I'm happy with my SE2 but minis are lovely sized...
The mini may be my favorite sized iPhone in recent years. The Pros have just gotten so big lately.

I did love the 13 mini, but we're starting to plan to travel again and I just wanted the best camera available on me if I don't have my mirrorless Sony with me.
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Quagmire
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2022-09-09, 07:58

I grabbed a 14 Pro Max 256 GB in deep purple.


One of these days I’ll have enough will power to skip a year.
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kieran
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2022-09-09, 08:32

I did the pre-authorization on my Apple Card yesterday and just had to sign in this morning to complete the transaction. (Really should have been able to complete it yesterday, but oh well)

Got the 14 Pro 256 in Purple. Purple wasn't a typical choice for me, but I usually get a new phone each year so if I don't like it, it's only for a year and I can always put a case on it.
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Quagmire
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2022-09-09, 08:35

Yeah I’m surprised I went purple. I up to this morning wasn’t going to upgrade but impulsively decided to continue the upgrade program.

I thought if I was going to get it, I would go Silver( would be my first white phone). But I’ve been so bored with black/white lately and the pictures didn’t make it seem too outlandish of a purple, so went with it. I went with pacific blue for the 12 and sierra blue for the 13.

giggity
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Matsu
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2022-09-09, 09:53

My wife's 12 Pro and my ancient 6S Plus seem to have about the same size screen, but in different shape, yet the 6SPlus is much bulkier in hand, especially with a relatively similar case. My eyes want a bigger screen, my pocket wants a smaller phone... hmmm...

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2022-09-09, 10:18

I went from the 6S Plus to the 12 Pro Max and the latter is a lot less slippery than my old phone was. Chalk it up to the flat edges or whatever, but I've had minimal droppage and find it even easier to navigate one handed. Anna's 12 Pro screen just feels too cramped to me, though that's probably just because I'm so used to the Max. I will say that when I have to carry it for her (as one does occasionally for the pocket-less sex) it does feel more comfortable in a front pocket.

So it goes.
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2022-09-09, 11:23

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so now 14 mini? wild. I'm happy with my SE2 but minis are lovely sized...
Similarly disappointed. Hopefully the mini becomes the new SE.
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2022-09-09, 15:02

Looks like Apple could be in hot water over possibly using YMTC (State run Chinese Memory manufacturer).

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...n-new-iphone/]
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2022-09-09, 15:19

Quote:
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Looks like Apple could be in hot water over possibly using YMTC (State run Chinese Memory manufacturer).

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...n-new-iphone/]
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Apple said it was not considering using YMTC chips in phones for sale outside China. It added that all user data stored on Nand chips used by the company were “fully encrypted.”
Seems like Apple is only using the chips in iPhones sold into China, which makes sense since the Chinese already spy on themselves. So it really doesn't matter. Besides, the Chinese have already reverse engineered the iPhone a thousand times, so Apple has no technology to hide from them. It's really just a concern if the memory is installed in iPhones and/or used on networks outside of china. Affected iPhones will eventually be used on networks outside China, but I very seriously doubt if Apple is going to intentionally run afoul of U.S. sanctions otherwise.

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2022-09-10, 05:44

The last few years I’ve been buying the phone outright and upgrading every year but I just can’t justify it this year. There is no real reason for me to ditch my 13 Pro. Would be just pissing away money.
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2022-09-10, 06:05

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Looks like Apple could be in hot water over possibly using YMTC (State run Chinese Memory manufacturer).

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...n-new-iphone/]
Big deal, Village People have been using YMTC for decades.
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2022-09-10, 12:17

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Seems like Apple is only using the chips in iPhones sold into China, which makes sense since the Chinese already spy on themselves. So it really doesn't matter. Besides, the Chinese have already reverse engineered the iPhone a thousand times, so Apple has no technology to hide from them. It's really just a concern if the memory is installed in iPhones and/or used on networks outside of china. Affected iPhones will eventually be used on networks outside China, but I very seriously doubt if Apple is going to intentionally run afoul of U.S. sanctions otherwise.
I think part of the concern is the large amount of lower cost imported phones that come into North America. You see tons of them on eBay and other places people buy “cheap” flagship phones from.

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Big deal, Village People have been using YMTC for decades.
Keep in mind these are the US rules. I don’t know what brands you are referring to with “Village People”, but I can only assume that would be Android phone makers. My understanding would be that the U.S. Senate would go after them as well, you just don’t hear about it, since most of them aren’t operating out of the US like Apple is.
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2022-09-10, 12:35

For those who get the "Max" line of phone, how do you actually manage the device with it being that big? I mean, you don't keep it in your pocket unless you wear cargo pants right?

It just seems so big for a "daily device".

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2022-09-10, 12:44

I think those are for people have their phone in hand 24/7, or they use their phone to look at lots of videos, photos, maybe spreadsheets and such on the go. To me an iPad is better suited to those tasks than a iPhone, but to each their own.
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2022-09-10, 13:18

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I don’t know what brands you are referring to with “Village People”, but I can only assume that would be Android phone makers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_People
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2022-09-10, 15:10

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Yes, but I figured that was meant to mean something else. I didn't say YMCA
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2022-09-11, 21:16

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Think I might snap up a 13 mini before they are gone.
Same. I’m still on the original SE, which I absolutely love. Perfect size, home button, Touch ID, no notch, rectangular screen, sits flat on a table (no camera bump), and headphone jack. But iOS 16 won’t run on it

I’m hoping it’ll be a stopgap phone until they make a good iPhone again, but I’m expecting to be disappointed over the next few years. At least give us smallness and Touch ID on the power button!
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2022-09-12, 05:57

Touch ID on the power button to go along with Face ID would be fantastic. Just like they have on the iPad Mini. Face ID just never works when I am wearing sunglasses and it drives me insane.

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