Dark Cat of the Sith
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I'll liveblog this since nobody else is!
New MacBook Air
Available: Nov 7 Price: $1199 and up Also, some really neat environmental sustainability facts: 100% recycled tin on the logic board, 100% recycled aluminium for the enclosure!! New MacMini
Available: Nov 7 Price: $799 and up And it's 60% recycled plastic and 100% recycled aluminium. New iPad Pro
Available: Nov 7 Price: $799 for 11", $999 for 12/9" "A blind, deaf, comatose, lobotomy patient could feel my anger!" - Darth Baras twitter ; amateur photographer ; fanfiction writer ; roleplayer and worldbuilder Last edited by Capella : 2018-10-30 at 10:31. |
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¡Damned!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory
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That Mac mini is niiice. Very tempting. Curious about the stock GPU even though I'd likely go external.
Hoping for an iMac update and maybe even a new iPad mini. So it goes. |
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Lord of the Rant.
Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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USB-C on iPad Pro! Wow. I'm impressed.
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Dark Cat of the Sith
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I wanted a new iPad mini too. Work is really hyped for the new Mac minis. Was surprised by USB-C.
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Join Date: May 2005
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Crap, no iMac updates. Was hoping for all flash storage and faster GPU/CPU. Unfortunately now will have to order the current one as my 2011 MBP is rapidly dying a faulty motherboard death...
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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I'm really pleased with the Mac mini update. While I won't make mine a Mac Pro, the fact that I can swap RAM is huge again! I'm looking forward to the teardown videos of it to see what I can really do. They even made it look like the CPU was swappable in that video but I'm sure it's soldered to the board.
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¡Damned!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Purgatory
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Can't beat the iMac for value, but I'm seriously considering going the 6-core mini/eGPU/3rd party monitor route. It would be roughly the same price, but I do miss the flexibility that an AIO lacks.
Can't wait to see some benchmarks in the coming weeks.... So it goes. |
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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That 6-core i7 is the same goods that resides in the new MacBook Pro. That should post some high scores.
Also, the T2 handles a lot of video decoding, which should take some weight off the internal GPU. Either way, they should be smokin' hawt! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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The question for me is, will this mini be worth me retiring my hackintosh. I very much doubt it given the specs on Volstagg, but no more bugs would be nice. Not having to question what catastrophe is going to happen when I let it run an update.
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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I have to say, though, that the laptop lineup is looking awfully confusing.
13" MacBook Air (2017) - $999 13" MacBook Air (2018) - $1199 12" MacBook (2017) - $1299 Why??? 13" MacBook Pro (2017) - $1299 Why??? 13" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $1799 15" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $2399 As far as I am concerned, the 12" MacBook and 13" MacBook Pro (2017) should not exist. The new 2018 MB Air is superior to the 2017 MacBook and MacBook Pro in so many ways that it defies reason anyone would buy either of those. We already don't stock the MacBook, and we are going to put the 13" MB Pro's on sale and get our stock down to 1 unit. In comparison to the 2017 13" Pro, the new Air now has the same screen, the same number of USB-C ports, faster storage, a more modern processor (which may turn out to be faster), better battery life, lighter weight, the same footprint, a better keyboard, Touch ID, T2 chip, and a lower price. Oh, and gold! Why am I going to buy a 2017 13" MacBook Pro, again? As far as the MacBook is concerned, it has … less weight and a slightly smaller footprint? Seriously, the base 13" Pro and the MacBook should be discontinued. The lineup should be 2018 MacBook Air (renamed simply "MacBook") and 2018 MacBook Pro w/Touch Bar. All this in-between filler is just muddying the water. 13" MacBook Air (2017) - $999 13" MacBook Air (2018) - $1199 13" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $1799 15" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $2399 See how much easier that is? Customers are going to ask, "What's the difference between the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro?" We used to have a good answer for that. Now, the answer is, "Well, they're the same thing, but the Air is better and costs less." And the customer is going to say - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) Last edited by kscherer : 2018-10-30 at 16:24. Reason: Changed a RAM goof |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Toronto
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Yeah, where's the iMac? I had thought I'd be looking at a 30" iMac purchase early in the New Year.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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Look for a silent update tomorrow or later this week. I think they are going to pull a 2018 MacBook Pro release and just release a media note.
However, iMacs have been shipping with very little delay. So, maybe nothing at all. - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Atlanta
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Thanks for the post, Capella!
2 things! Why no USB-C on the Mac Mini? Yay for Photoshop on iPad!!!! ... |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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4 of them, you goof.
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Very nice update on the Mac Mini spec wise. User up-gradable RAM is nice to see making a comeback. I'm also really happy that Apple put some powerful chips in these machines this time around, the i3 8100 is a nice for the entry level machine, good mid-range with the i5 8500, but I'm betting the high end i7 8700 will thermal throttle in that tiny package. I'm glad that there are a mix of four USB-C (Thunderblot/3.1) and two type A ports. Thanks Apple.
I still wish that it had an additional user expandable storage slot, since a PCI-E NVMe drive slot takes up hardly any space at all. I would just use the built in 128GB drive as a boot drive, and a 1TB 970 EVO for additional storage rather than paying the Apple tax for a bigger single drive. I currently have a 256GB 850 Pro boot drive and 1TB WD Blue for storage in my late 2012 Mac Mini. To me the entire idea of the Mini is for it to be small, so having to attach a bunch of external drives for more storage is kind of a pain. And to those who would say, "just use the cloud". Not for the amount of data I have, I suppose I could just use network storage, but I couldn't get away with the stock drive, even with that. Still nice upgrade after 4 years of brutal stagnation. I'll likely pick one up in the new year, since I passed on my 2011 iMac a little while ago and want a powerful Mac for video editing. |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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I"m sold on the iPad Pro. Going to upgrade from my first gen iPad Pro I believe. Just need to figure out which one to get.
Add to that getting new Apple Watches & another iPad for my wife, and it's going to be a pretty expensive fall for us. Thankfully we're not upgrading our iPhones this year though. Still perfectly fine with the iPhone X. Going to be the first time in a while I"m keeping an iPhone for more than a year. No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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13" MacBook Air (2017) - $999 13" MacBook Air (2018) - $1199 12" MacBook (2017) - $1299 NEW UPGRADED, Super-thin, 12" MacBook - $1499 13" MacBook Pro (2017) - $1299 13" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $1799 15" MacBook Pro TB (2018) - $2399 Although I imagine that sub $1k is a magic price point and they need to drive the new MacBook Air down to that price ASAP. |
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Formerly turtle2472 Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Upstate South Carolina
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Yeah, they really do need to clean up the laptop line up. I was talking with my wife about this and was going to get her a rose gold MB. But then we realized that rose gold is pretty much gone everywhere now.
She had an aging 13" MPB from a few year ago. (Optical drive, HDD, etc.). At this point it would be an Air for her with doubled SSD and that's it. Apple already sucks $10 a month from me for 2TB of storage so I might as well make her use it. She really only does basic photo editing and that would more than cover her. Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.” Visit our archived Minecraft world! | Maybe someday I'll proof read, until then deal with it. |
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i3 on the entry Mini is disappointing, and the laptop line just got even more confusing. Other than that, good stuff.
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How is the 3.6Ghz quad core i3 8100 disappointing? For one thing it’s the CPU you should expect at that price point, and it’s almost as fast as high end i5s from the last generation, just without hyper threading. It is a huge boost over the crippled dual core i5 chips used in the previous two generations of minis’.
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My 5 year old iMac still chugs along very nicely, but that mini is tempting...
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And the i7 option is hyper-threaded. |
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Actually, it's a desktop CPU (Coffee Lake-S instead of -H), so its scores should be even higher than that. It's a bit hard to tell, though, since Apple appears to be getting slightly modified parts.
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It appears to be a mixture of:
They didn't manage to scale the MacBook's performance up enough, nor to bring the MacBook's or MacBook Escape's pricing down enough. So they needed another model. For example: which models have Touch ID, and why? Before this week, one could guess that all models with the Touch Bar have it. This week, that's no longer the case. For no apparent reason, some Pro models don't have it, and now a non-Pro Air model does. Or how about the Touch Bar? A Pro feature, maybe? But then why do some Pro models lack it? Why doesn't the iMac Pro offer it? OK, maybe Thunderbolt, then? Surely that one's a Pro feature, which explains the 12-inch MacBook not having it. But now the Air does it. As does the Mac mini. So why doesn't the MacBook? For the 12-inch MacBook or the 13-inch Air, I feel they missed an opportunity to decide if they want the branding to have Air in it or not. Their ultimate call is, apparently: "depends on the screen size!" Well, that's not entirely fair. They have yet to update the 12-incher to Amber Lake (not entirely sure why). Maybe the next 12-inch MacBook will:
If so, that aspect makes a lot more sense again. After all, the Air has a Y-series CPU as well. Aside from the pricing oddness, the MacBook and the Air are mostly siblings. But that still leaves us with… why does the Escape exist? Why does it lack Touch ID when the Air has it? Why does it have a better CPU and display, and much better GPU? (Why hasn't the Escape been updated this year? That one is once again on Intel: they have yet to ship an eighth-gen CPU to replace it. The parts either have considerably higher TDP, or a worse GPU.) But aside from that, I don't think the "Escape" should still exist. It was a weird stop-gap until they shipped the Air, which they now have. |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Harbin, China
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I'm so confused after reading this. What does the "escape" refer to? I keep trying to wrap my head around it, but for some reason (maybe morning fog) I cannot figure out which you're referring to here...
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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It's funny reading threads like this when questions about names like "MacBook Escape" or "MacBook One" show up.
You can tell who listens to Apple tech podcasts when those names are mentioned. No more Twitter. It's Mastodon now. |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Clayton, NC
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Well, I was kinda hoping for the new iPad Pro to be what it turned out to be but at the same price as the old iPad Pro. You know, how they usually do.
However, they obviously know what they're doing because... they got me to buy one at the higher price. And, of course 64GB wasn't going to do it, so there's another $150 to get to the smallest acceptable offered capacity: 256GB. And then I sprang for the folio keyboard. Which, now that I think about it, only happened because I was like, "Well, I'm already in for this huge amount anyway, what's another $whatever." Frickin' geniuses... of marketing. Ugh. |
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It seemed like a candidate for a new Air, and Phil Schiller even hinted at that when introducing it, but now a new Air exists instead. *) I know, I know, some regard that as a plus. |
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