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So is making an iMac without a CPU.
The Apple way is to keep the GPU inside the host device and also the wholistic approach of making sure each platform functions on its own. Apple doesn't want a situation where someone opens an app an iPad Pro only for it to display a dialog "Thunderbolt display required." |
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i.e.: You can use a game controller with an Apple TV but Apple requires all Apple TV games to support it's shitty little remote by default. Which one provides a better experience? Quote:
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As has been pointed out, Apple's been holding off on Thunderbolt 3 adoption for half a year now. Since TB was largely their idea, this is strange.
In the laptop thread, kscherer wondered why Apple might be holding off on introducing new laptops. Maybe there's a link between the two. Is there any realistic prospect that Thunderbolt 3 could be upgraded with 5K support in the next few months? |
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Thunderbolt can in fact work with a single 5K display via MST. The MST adapter can be built into the new display too. The average user wouldn't even notice.
This is how Dell's 5K display works and how 4K was initially supported. How is suggesting the use of cheaper, sensible technology over forced integration "being annoying?" Last edited by Eugene : 2016-06-08 at 13:50. |
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I'm really confused at the fervor over this rumor considering the capabilities of existing technology. |
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Was I wrong about Thunderbolt supporting 5K via MST? Was I wrong that a large monitor with a GPU, storage, all the standard I/O, etc. is basically a CPU-less iMac? That MST only requires one cable? That Thunderbolt 3 has been shipping since last year (and is currently available on many enthusiast motherboards from Asus, Gigabyte, ASRock, MSI as well as their laptops?)
This isn't even a good rumor. Why cling to it? Daisy-chaining solves everything. Want to extend the graphics power of your iPad Pro? Then connect it to a MacBook Pro connected to a Thunderbolt display. Preposterous yeah? But so is using the current iPad Pro as a desktop replacement when you need to overpay for a boat anchor niche Thunderbolt display that you can't travel with. The iPad Pro device tier will be capable of driving a 5K display on its own in a couple years anyway. Last edited by Eugene : 2016-06-08 at 23:56. |
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ok. You're wrong, but I'm over this. You really suck the life out of everything around here with your ego trips.
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I've stated nothing but factual, relevant information (besides the last prediction.)
Some random guy on Twitter starts a rumor about a product he thinks he wants, and it's supposed to be credible? Also here's another fact about Apple's only 5K solution available now. It uses MST! All that custom TCON in the 5K iMac does is minimize desync between the two DisplayPort streams. |
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An incomplete list of PCs with Thunderbolt 3
Example of a product on that list not labeled with Thunderbolt 3 support, but has it anyway: Lenovo ThinkPad P50 Pretty much every major PC and mainboard brand has been shipping Thunderbolt 3 for months... except Apple! If you don't believe me, just visit the websites of Asus, Acer, Lenovo, HP, Dell, ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI, Razer, etc. e: Yo, Intel isn't supporting Thunderbolt 3. Last edited by Eugene : 2016-06-09 at 03:41. |
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Say what? Apple has dallied many times because of Intel. Examples? USB3 anyone? Apple didn't get USB3.0 until Intel finally included it in the chipsets, which is why the PC market had it for several years before Apple.
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As has been mentioned, a host of PC companies have included TB3 in their 2016 designs already. The delay in us getting TB3 looks more like Cook's penny-pinching calculations winning out over Apple Engineering. Which is probably why you shouldn't put a numbers and operations guy in the CEO position of a tech company. If Dell could build in TB3 to their laptops, how hard could it be? |
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Further to this, Apple had an agenda in keeping USB3 on the back burner. It was going to kill off Firewire and Thunderbolt wasn't yet ready.
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That's the story people give, but I doubt it has anything to do with it. Firewire was effectively dead long before Apple dropped it from hardware and everyone knew from the get go that Thunderbolt was not a USB3 competitor, due to the price of the setup and early products. The reason is simple, Apple wanted to use the Intel chipset, which only had USB2, rather than a third party one. Why? Intel gave them deals for using all Intel chipsets.
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Apple didn't implement USB 3.0 right away for a host of reasons. Thunderbolt was precisely one of those reasons. Intel was also slow to implement USB 3.0 natively around the time Sandy Bridge came out. Whereas the PCH (Cougar Point) associated with Sandy Bridge supported something like 14 USB 2.0 channels, it did not support USB 3.0. Mainboard manufacturers had to use NEC or ASMedia USB 3.0 controllers. When Ivy Bridge came out Intel finally had support for 4 USB 3.0 channels built into the PCH.
Thunderbolt hasn't quite followed the same path. There have never been third-party Thunderbolt controllers. It has never been integrated into a PCH. My best guess is that Apple's update cycle has aligned poorly with the introduction of the technology. Only the low-end MacBook has gotten the Skylake treatment. The next most recently updated line is the iMac...240 days ago, right around the time the first Thunderbolt 3 enabled PCs started shipping. |
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I know nothing about designing computer hardware interfaces. If Thunderbolt 3 isn't supported by Intel and has no third-party support, how, pray tell have PC manufacturers including it in their new products for months?
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It is supported by Intel. Intel invented the damn thing. They make discrete controllers for Thunderbolt, typically handling two ports per chip.
Controller info. Last edited by Eugene : 2016-06-09 at 21:58. |
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Thunderbolt is literally the one I/O to rule them all and Intel went through a lot of trouble steering USB (another of their inventions) into a convergent path.
In what way is Intel not supporting it? And if that is true, why should we be excited about rumors revolving around unsupported tech? |
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With Thunderbolt 3 a very high-end GPU Like a GTX 1080 might see 80-85% of max performance at PCIe 3.0 x4 speeds. Then again, the GTX 1080 is actually not Nvidia's flagship... As GPUs have jumped from 28nm to 14-16nm overnight, we are going to see some huge performance gains from Nvidia's GP100 and AMD's Vega microarchitectures. Not that it matters, those GPUs are beastly. Last edited by Eugene : 2016-06-10 at 17:57. |
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