Hates the Infotainment
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NSA Archives
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Hey Murbot, have you topped that 175mph sissy-speed record of yours? I mean seriously why don't you grow a pair?
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Paris, France
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Unless you can afford a pair of Lightweight wheels (about $6k, which hasn't stopped pro cyclists paying for them out of their own pockets when their sponsors have baulked at coughing up) I'd stay far away from wheels with low spoke counts. They're fast, so possibly justifiable for racing (though decent ones are always expensive) but for jumping curbs on a commute? No chance. They'll be out of true after your first ride and broken in no time. No exaggeration.
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As for the groupset, I'm not sure it's so awfully important. I'd be surprised if you could find 105 on a sub-$1000 bicycle (here in the UK you can't), but if you can I s'pose t'would be nice. … engrossed in such factional acts as dreaming different dreams. |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: State of Flux
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g, that Scott looks quite nice for what you plan to do. I think money spent on a carbon fork and decent mid-range components is well spent. I would strongly suggest sticking with Shimano 105 or its equivalent or better. The stuff is lighter and stronger, and stays "tuned" for quite a bit longer than low-end components. I also think disc brakes - while not necessary - are a nice upgrade.
My only concern regarding this model is the geometry of the pictured set-up. The riding position looks quite agressive for a bike that you plan to use for commuting. It might just be the image, but it looks like the rider would be stretched out a bit, which is goood for going down hills in the forest (and for lowering your wind resistance) but not necessarily necessary or wanted (and certainly less comfortable) if riding on roads to work. That said, it seems from the specs that the handbar stem is adjustable, and perhaps would allow you to adjust it to a less aggressive, more comfortable pitch. I'm not advocating a shopping bicycle with a basket, but at your age comfort should be one of your concerns. I would also suggest giving a couple a test ride. Maybe even this Cannondale, which has a HeadShok with a convenient lockout. This would be useful if you ever ride on dirt paths, for example. http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/07/c...model-7BS.html |
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careful with axes
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hillsborough, CA
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Yeah, looks like they just put a rigid fork and slicks on a mountain bike frame and classified it as a road/commuter. if you're going to get a mountain frame, you may as well get a mountain fork too...it'll smooth out potholes and speed bumps for your shoulders, and weight isn't really a factor anyway. As for your rear...natural padding and a thicker seat would be plenty of shock absorption there.
The Scott pictured looks like it has a seat more suited to competition than comfort. Also since weight isn't really a factor for a commuter bike, a lush chromoly frame would further cushion your ride. Two of my favorite steel frame builders in the past have been SyCip and Independent Fabrications, though it looks like SyCip has completely forsaken their heritage for carbon, aluminum and titanium now. |
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geri to my friends
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Heaven
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No No No. Leg wont lift high enough anymore Haven't had my leg over for years. (We are still talking bikes by the way)
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Unknown
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g, unless you are planning to also do some mountain/trail riding with the bike, I'd stick with a more traditional road design. Besides being more comfortable for longer rides, I believe the tires are bigger in diameter, and the whole gear ratio is better as a result. Something like Cannondale Road Warrior you pictured seems best. Of course disc brakes aren't typically found on road bikes, but a good quality bike should have good quality rim brakes so you'll still be able to stop. The disc brakes really shine in sloppy weather - something you indicated you won't have to worry much about - but they also add weight and $$. I'd check out what Trek and Specialized have to offer in this price range if you haven't already. Do you know where children get all of their energy? - They suck it right out of their parents! |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: State of Flux
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I've enjoyed seeing all the nice bikes the ANers hit the roads and trails on - some impressive and just fun specimens. I love cycling and wish I could do more of it! I bought my first road bike about 6 years ago (always a "mountain" biker before that) after becoming obsessed with Le Tour de France, and have enjoyed learning about road-riding.
Now, I've just received a new (self-selected ) mountain bike from the wife and kids as a birthday present to compliment my road miles. This is my first bike with any type of suspension, and it's been a blast. So here she is just after the presentation, a BMC Fourstroke FS 03. Specs include: lightweight aluminum/aluminium frame, Shimano XT component set (with the exception of DT Swiss rims and Crank Brother pedals), Fox F100 front shock, DT Swiss SSD 190L rear shock.... The riding position is great for me, very comfortable on long rides, and yet I don't feel vulnerable on steep decents, or like I'm the main sail of Alinghi when riding into the wind. |
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Veteran Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Paris, France
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That is a very handsome bike, AWR, you lucky thing. Nice pedal choice too. But I'd love to know why you chose a Swiss machine instead of a handmade American frame, which I remember you were considering at one point.
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Gel saddles are the work of the devil. … engrossed in such factional acts as dreaming different dreams. |
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feeling my oats
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how do the components of the scott sub 10 compare to shim 105s?
leaning toward the scott at this moment...second would be the road warrior g |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: State of Flux
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Interesting question, g. Some of the bits are a bit nicer, some a bit less so. All said n done, that set up is nice, solid gear. Do check the stem, though. That said, if you are uncomfortable, these things are usually replaceable with a more appropriate piece, but you might ask if that's the case here. I would try to ride both bikes before buying; the Road Warrior looks more comfortable as a commuter. |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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g,
As your typical riding conditions won't favor disc brakes (you mentioned that you live in the desert), you might consider a bike with good rim brakes, and then use the extra money for Shimano 105 components. AWR has got it just about right, here: Quote:
Also, there is a downside to disc brakes: down the road, your upgrade/replacement choices for wheel sets will be very limited compared to the upgrade/replacement choices for wheel sets on rim-brake bikes. Similarly, the prospect of changing out a disc-only fork will reveal two realities: 1) there are just a couple of expensive junk forks out there, and 2) there are even fewer -- and more expensive -- decent disc-only forks out there. Even though I still advocate disc brakes (when their advantages can be exploited), I thought that it was only fair to sketch out the challenges associated with changing out disc-only forks, wheels... and frames, for that matter. DG's advice on seat selection -- while it might seem counterintuitive at first -- is spot on, in my experience. AWR, I LOVE the stealthy look of your BMC! Very cool. "We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are." Anais Nin |
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feeling my oats
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yeah...but the disc brakes just look so cool
plus i've always disliked bike brakes...they seem so...not sure...just they change so much as to what is best...first it is calipers, then center pulls, then a hybrid caliper/center pull thingy...it seems at least disc brakes make sense in that they work and work well in many weather types and situations... that said, i'm riding a road warrior and then the scott...likely will go with the road warrior, but will get the one that rides nicest... g crazy is not a rare human condition everything is food if you chew hard enough |
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careful with axes
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hillsborough, CA
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: eastmidlandshire
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On the road; callipers > canti's > discs > teh-crappy-V Off road; discs > teh-crappy-V > canti's > callipers But hey, if you like the look of discs on a bike then go for them. And as they say; brakes just slow you down! |
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Stallion
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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That's my road bike. It's impossible to get a good picture of it without it leaning on something. I bought it from bikes direct thus the generic kinesis frame, but the components on it are mid-range since I ride quite a bit(50 miles a week or so) |
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Stallion
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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My newest road bike: Fuji Team Pro
I got it because I had grown out of my old bike and was due for an upgrade! I wouldn't have ever been talked into buying it until I was offered a huge deal. I got the bike, a Bell Sweep R helmet (for my Dad), a Garmin Edge 305 GPS, and Look Keo Carbon Pedals for $1800. Performance points helped me get all the stuff seeing as they had a special promotion where you got 25% back in points to use in the store. I then sold my old mountain bike (which was sitting unused since I got my first road bike) and my previous road bike to make it basically a $700 bike. It also saved some space in the garage by getting rid of a bike that was no longer being used! Last edited by macleod : 2007-08-01 at 17:44. Reason: image was messed up...had to host it rather than link it |
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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I ordered a 305 from ebay and am impatiently waiting for it. What do you think of it?
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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I haven't had a chance to play with it yet cause I am away from my bike right now and it just now got delivered to my house. The darn thing was not in the store so I had to order it. I will probably get to play with it this weekend though so I will let you know on Saturday or Sunday hopefully.
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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Cool, thanks. Will you use the standard GTC software or use something like Trailrunner, Trackrunner or Ascent etc.
Murbot, geeeze the news gixxers are slower!!, 290 from my 2000 Y model on the local racetrack during a ride day Last edited by gsxrboy : 2007-08-01 at 21:11. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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I haven't really researched that much but I am going to start with the GTC software and then maybe look to something else if they have features I want or if I end up not liking the GTC.
I need to research it all before I start. So far I have found Motion Based, Training Peaks and the ones you mentioned. What all is out there and which of them are free? Have we basically mentioned the most popular ones? The Motion Based free edition seems cool but I wouldn't want to pay $100 a year for the unlimited as opposed to most recent 10 workouts being stored. That is the main difference that I can see. I will probably use the free version of that with GTC. Last edited by macleod : 2007-08-01 at 19:40. |
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Stallion
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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Macleod, is that an ultegra set-up? Looks like a hell of a bike!
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Join Date: Jun 2004
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In fact it was two different times, the very same intersection (no, the visibility is excellent, that's not the reason), and the drivers were both middle-aged guys with a mobile phone glued to their ear. I went down both times from braking and evading. As soon as it was evident that I wasn't damaged - never mind that they couldn't have known if my bike is - these folks drove on and IIRC still had the phone on their ear. I no longer have business at the other end of that route, so I haven't ridden much in this area anymore. I was this close >< to carrying a huge ball bearing in pocket while riding in case of a third jerk doing the same thing. Who knows, losing a rear window might even make them get off the phone. We don't have punitive damages so it's no use crashing them and suing, either. |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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Yeah it is pretty much all Ultegra. The only things that aren't Ultegra are the Dura Ace rear derailleur and the FSA Team Issue Carbon MegaExo. I really like the wheelset thus far, Shimano R-550. The bike is great though. I love it. It is a little overkill for me but I couldn't really turn it down when I realized what I could sell my other bikes for and what I could get with all the Performance Points I got.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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I tested the Edge 305 this weekend. Unfortunately I only got one ride in because of weather/exhaustion from water skiing. Overall I really like it. GTC does enough for me but I will probably use the Motion Based free account as well. I got the HRM option and the cadence option. The wheel speed sensor was working fine but because of the shape of my bike the cadence sensor was too fra from the magnet on the crank so that wasn't working. Also I couldn't get the HRM to work so I just rode without it and will play with it later. All in all it was accurate (judging against the cyclometer that was on my Dad's bike when he rode with me) and it was easy to setup. It suggests that you use the wedge if mounting it on your stem but that made it too tall for my taste so I left that off. If you have any questions let me know and I can try to answer them. I would really recommend it though so I think you will like it a lot!
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Rocket Surgeon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The Canadark
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Dammit. Just went out in the garden and it appears that I have a flat. I must have done it on the way home yesterday, but I certainly don't remember doing it.
Puncture repairs are sooooooo dull.... |
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monkey with a tiny cymbal
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Lost
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You still patch? Oy. I figure at $3 a pop, it's well worth my money to just grab a new tube. Yeah, sure, it's wasteful, but I just hate fixing a flat only to discover a second hole. Or that the patch didn't sit correctly.
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: london and københavn
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I’ve just moved to Copenhagen. I've made some fascinating discoveries.
I ride, I realise, like a Londoner: that is, a weathered and seasoned hybrid of ‘motherfucker’ and ‘show-off’. I could write an essay about the awesome joy of living in a place where cycle paths are an integral part of the infrastructure, complete with lights and crossings, where there’s a bike shop on every corner, where you can go to a restaurant and prop your machine against a tree, lock the wheels and not worry about it being stolen in minutes. (This is utterly inconceivable to me, I still haven’t got my head round that.) But here I feel like… a cycle messenger who had to make a delivery from London and decided to stay. When I ride with my girlfriend, I ride Danish. Or Danish-ish. When I ride on my own, I am a heroic shit-head, and it’s very obvious. Here’s the deal. I’ve been cycling in London for a long time. I have a courier’s bike (an Italian-built Sigma frame with Deda carbon post and triangle, Look forks, Ultegra gears and brakes, Campag bits and bobs) with sawn-off flat bars, the better to weave in and out of double decker busses down the Dalston Highroad. I have a low riding position. I ignore traffic lights; they are gay. When I have to stop, I balance on the spot with chain tension. I’ll ride against traffic without a second thought. I don’t care if it’s a one way street. Where I come from, this is perfectly normal. Here… people don’t do that. They stop at lights even if there’s nothing coming. Even if the lights are on a cycle path. They ride upright city bikes; even the men. They don’t race each other. They don’t do bunnyhops over the kerb. They don’t shout at the idiot car driver who just pulled out without looking or made a right turn without signalling. They don’t need to; they’re not constantly scared. I’ve been here a week, and I haven’t been anywhere close to death. Here people hold hands when they ride. Even I’ve done this. It is AWESOME. Here my usual riding practices generate stares (the Danish, for all their commendable qualities, are very skilled self-policers) and I feel like a glorious rebel cycle-psycho. But only when my girlfriend’s at work. gibberish |
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