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drewprops
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2021-02-01, 08:31

Star Trek Discovery is the perfect example demonstrating how the common denominator for all of these projects is TIME.

I just finished re-watching Star Trek Voyager a few days ago and you can't help but notice how many "small" scenes are peppered through the series - each serving to cement our understanding of the characters' relationships.

Character development is a classic dilemma faced by feature films. It must happen quickly and demonstrably.

I have enjoyed Star Trek Discovery, but it will never compete with any of the 26 episode-per-season Trek series because the characters are still sketches.


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2021-02-01, 08:43

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Star Trek Discovery is the perfect example demonstrating how the common denominator for all of these projects is TIME.

I just finished re-watching Star Trek Voyager a few days ago and you can't help but notice how many "small" scenes are peppered through the series - each serving to cement our understanding of the characters' relationships.

Character development is a classic dilemma faced by feature films. It must happen quickly and demonstrably.
Yup. All those bottle episodes don't have an important plot per se but help develop the characters.

It's strange. They clearly have much more budget to get production values up, and can avoid many of the "well, we couldn't afford to build this set" workarounds, and yet… the end result doesn't really feel as good. To me.

It's a bit like video games: much more impressive graphics, sure. And celebrities doing voice acting. OK. But… the gameplay? Did the actual gameplay get any better? Nope, all the tech actually distracts from it.
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2021-02-01, 11:05

So should I start watching WandaVision now? I have to admit, I didn't even start to watch it based on the earlier comments in this thread.
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2021-02-02, 06:51

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So should I start watching WandaVision now? I have to admit, I didn't even start to watch it based on the earlier comments in this thread.
For me the first three episodes were nothing but background noise. Not offensive, but little content to engage with. Fourth episode starts to get interesting and starts to pull something together. I don't know if the fourth was actually that good, or it was more a thank f that the show might actually have some content to make it bearable watching the remainder of the series.

And I am a fan of BB and Saul so I am used to a slow burn, but so far WV is like an adult with a sparkler on Guy Fawkes. In the rain.

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2021-02-02, 10:05



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2021-02-02, 10:24

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So, y'all happy NOW? XD
Kind of.

I could have used 5-10 minutes of that at the end of the first three episodes, so I guess my complaint is more about pacing than content now.

(I wonder if this would have been more palatable if they released it all in a single drop than a single episode per week like this.)
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2021-02-03, 19:04

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Yup. All those bottle episodes don't have an important plot per se but help develop the characters.

It's strange. They clearly have much more budget to get production values up, and can avoid many of the "well, we couldn't afford to build this set" workarounds, and yet… the end result doesn't really feel as good. To me.

It's a bit like video games: much more impressive graphics, sure. And celebrities doing voice acting. OK. But… the gameplay? Did the actual gameplay get any better? Nope, all the tech actually distracts from it.
This is a new style in the US so it's taking time for them to understand the limitations of episode limited series. For the most part, Discovery could be a more excellent show if the focused on one or two main characters and didn't attempt to ever show anything else, like what you might imagine a single camera show of our own lives would look like. Ancillary characters only get introduced from the 'narrators' perspective. etc.

UK productions are much better at this, where shows like Fleabag hone in on a single character's perspective...
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2021-02-04, 01:20

The Expanse hit its season finale this week. It was a slow, deliberate build this time around. Felt smaller. Next season is set to be nuts though.


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2021-02-06, 00:21

WandaVision:

NOW ARE YOU HAPPY?

Jeez, some people have no sense of pacing.
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2021-02-06, 02:54

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WandaVision:

NOW ARE YOU HAPPY?

Jeez, some people have no sense of pacing.
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2021-02-06, 06:14

Nothing quite like packing 2 minutes of story into 68 minutes of chaff
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2021-02-06, 11:25

So, regarding that cameo at the end of yesterday's WandaVision, does this mean…
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that Disney is finally ready to let the X-Men and Avengers share the same universe? Or is this just a wink and a nod to the fans?

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2021-02-06, 12:06

I heard that's been in the works, but who knows. Would've been nice if all that could've been worked out years ago, although those MCU/Avengers movies would've gotten pretty jam-packed and dense! Those last two nearly killed my eyeballs to death..."well, by all means, just put every-damn-body that's ever lived into one movie, why dontcha? I think you left out President McKinley and that the guy who poured the concrete at Hoover Dam."

I don't watch the show, so please tell me - use spoiler tags if needed, of course - what happened.

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Did Wolverine or Halle Berry show up? Or that blue girl with the red hair (I'm so into these things, and know all their names).
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2021-02-06, 18:39

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So, regarding that cameo at the end of yesterday's WandaVision, does this mean…
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that Disney is finally ready to let the X-Men and Avengers share the same universe? Or is this just a wink and a nod to the fans?
nod... possible reference to alternative universes being in play...
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2021-02-06, 21:06

Definitely that. Absolutely, positively, definitely that.
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2021-02-06, 21:09

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I don't watch the show, so please tell me - use spoiler tags if needed, of course - what happened.
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Final 60 seconds, knock at the door, Wanda opens it up to Pietro standing there. But not Pietro from Avengers: Age of Ultron played by Aaron-Taylor Johnson, Pietro played by Evan Peters from X-Men: Days of Future Past. First canon mutant in the MCU.

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2021-02-06, 21:35

Interesting.
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2021-02-06, 23:12

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I don't watch the show, so please tell me - use spoiler tags if needed, of course - what happened.
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Superman swoops in with Pikachu and together they all defeat Hans right before Nakatomi Tower blows up
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2021-02-06, 23:31

I already saw that, try again. And you left out the part about the Hardy Boys being the reason anyone even knew to look for Hans at that location. Superman was heading to Fort Knox before he got that email.
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2021-02-09, 09:15

Did you guys happen to see the latest trailer for Falcon and Winter Soldier? That looks really good. Of course trailers almost always make it look good, but it doesn't look like it will be a slow starter at all. I appreciate the humor that has been shown in it rather than all the action. Don't get me wrong, action is good in a "super hero" show... but make me laugh too.

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2021-02-09, 23:35

Did not know that was coming out so soon.

The Captain America story line has always been my favorite, so this extension is definitely interesting to me.
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2021-03-03, 16:52

So I finally got caught up on WandaVision and it was an interesting ride. At least I knew going into it that I might have to be bored for a bit. I was glad for the warning too. My old kids watched it as released and kept telling me to watch it. It will be cool to see how the finale goes!

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