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all for it, old glory needs us | 5 | 6.94% | |
completely against, will cause more flags to be burned | 45 | 62.50% | |
don't give a @%#*, where's my bong | 9 | 12.50% | |
wouldn't mind it, but other things seem much more important at this time | 13 | 18.06% | |
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll |
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ok...in the news...want to see what people think
personally i don't really care one way or the other except: right now it is rare to see a flag burned...if we make it illegal we will likely see many flags burned we as a country couldn't get a equal rights amendment for women (over 50 percent of our population and our mothers, sisters, daughters) yet we can get one to protect our flag?? i would gladly sign for a flag amendment if the right signs for an equal rights amendment...but i have a distaste for putting the flag ahead of my mother, my wife, my daughters anyway...your thoughts crazy is not a rare human condition everything is food if you chew hard enough |
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meh
Join Date: May 2004
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I am all for it, but there are far more important stuff going on right now. The Gay rights seems to be the biggest issue needing to be addressed, Iraq, War on Terror, etc. People who burn our flag needs to get out. Go to Canada or somewhere. I am sure Murbot will happily except you. Please don't say, " It is just piece of cloth." That is ignorant.
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Multi-touch Piñata
Join Date: May 2004
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I'd prefer a "don't give a @%#*, other things seem much more important at this time" option.
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Multi-touch Piñata
Join Date: May 2004
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It's just a piece of cloth.
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You're free to say what you want but you have no right to harass, limit, or deport (you'd love to) people for expressing themselves freely. This is the U.S., it isn't just your country, you have to share it with countless other types of people. Deal with it. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein Last edited by johnq : 2005-06-23 at 10:23. |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: State of Flux
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Against it.
To me, it's not the flag itself which is important, but what it stands for (or should stand for - and tolerance must be one of those things). And G you make a couple of good points: ban it and rate of incidence increases for sure (flag burning arrests will take up 25 minutes of FoxNews' hourly coverage "Mother of 5 burns flag while children remain hypmotized by reruns of the A Team") and also, to make an amendment to the Constitution for flag burning before Equal Rights is definitely wrong. Issues like these (see also gay marriage, etc.) seem to come up during election cycles. Are there really so many people burning the flag these days that we should be hauling them in the paddy wagon for crimes prohibited by the Constitution? Burning flags and banning it both seem a bit childish, really. Last edited by AWR : 2005-06-23 at 10:35. |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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I would never burn an American flag unless the flag burning amendment was ratified. Then I'd go hog wild.
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Location: Inner Swabia. If you have to ask twice, don't.
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Why haven't we learned from the gilded calf?
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Columbus, Georgia
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It really is of no concern to me, pass the amendment or don't. I don't care. This is one of those things for the congressmen and senators to do so that it looks like they are getting something accomplished in their deadlocked highly partisan politics. I love it when a politician says that they want to be bi-partisan or non-partisan. I always chuckle to myself because I know what it means. It means that they are willing to work with anyone who will change their mind and agree with them.
On the flag issue; I just think it is stupid, as an expression of our 1st amendment rights, to burn a symbol of those rights. Seems a little ironic to me. What Adobe Updater‽ What‽ What‽ WHAT‽ |
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Wait till silentechos hears about this, he'll give you his opinion
I said this to him earlier, and I'll put it here because I like it so much... Quote:
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Join Date: May 2004
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There is no dichotomy. "Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." - Albert Einstein |
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Minnesota
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But at the same time, banning flag burning is trampling on the constitution. That's why I'm so opposed to it.
Look, I hate GWB. I think he's a liar, a cheater, a power tripper, and is only concerned for himself and his rich friends. Despite all this, I still consider myself a patriot because I have great faith in our system of government. Whatever happens... at the end of the day, at least we have our freedoms. An amendment to prohibit flag burning is tantamount to repealing the first amendment. You can't make laws in the constitution - they would have to word it so that the first amendment doesn't apply to certain situations. Even if these situations are very particular, it's still an exception, and as such I'm opposed to it. I can no longer feel any pride in my country if they decide to throw away the one thing I love the most about it. |
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: West michigan
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I don't care one way or another on this particular issue, however this country was built on dissent, and the right to disagree. The one thing that troubles me, is we keep passing laws that will put more people in jail. We already have more people in jails and prisons then any country on earth. This is mostly because we force our law enforcement officials to go after and jail people for relatively minor stuff. Let's concentrate on making our streets safer, before we come up with more reasons to jail people.
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Passing by
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: London, Europe
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You need to let people burn your flag.
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
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And besides, what does "unamerican" mean, anyway? Are all Americans the same? Do they all do the same things? Is it really possible to point at something and say "This is clearly and undoubtedly unamerican"? And isn't what an American does American, by definition - including burning the flag? |
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Mr. Vieira
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tennessee
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It doesn't concern me.
I'd never do it, but I realize it would take a lot of fun away for various college students and other assorted dipshits to "make a statement". Heaven forbid I ever got in the way of that. I do hate to see it, but it's a quirky thing, isn't it? I mean, it represents freedom and all that, the very thing one could make a case for WHEN burning the flag. I guess you have to take it ALL, the good and the not-so-good. I'd never do it. I think it's a empty, boneheaded gesture. The kind of thing 19-year-old "activist" types (away from home for the first time) do to enhance their "Down With The Man" cred. If others want to, knock yourselves out...always a chance they'll catch their sleeve or hair on fire and provide some genuine chuckles and entertainment for the rest of us. Remember your fire safety stuff...stop, drop and roll. Last edited by psmith2.0 : 2005-06-23 at 11:08. |
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Hoonigan
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Canada
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What a ridiculous waste of time.
Although, I guess a wild increase in flag burning would create more employment for the flag manufacturers, and a boost to the economy. Fucking brilliant! |
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LoLz - FLaG BuRnInG
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Chicago
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I personally would not burn a flag without proper motivation, and thus far I have not found such motivation. However, if you have a good reason to burn a flag, I say burn it. It's freedom of speech, and that shouldn't be taken away. Actions speak louder than words, and in this case the actions are speaking very loudly. But people who burn flags just to be dicks, that's ignorant and disrespectful.
So if you have a good reason to burn, than burn. But if you don't, than show some respect. Come waste your time with me |
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For God's sake it's just a piece of cloth.
Worshipping a flag is just another form of idolitary. Rather you value your fellow man (or woman) than pledge allegiance to some ideal which is now passing laws to bulldoze your homes in the name of capitalism. It's very eerie when I see people so obsessed with an object. And this almost nationalistic obsession with an image is, as has already been pointed out, very similar to the kind of nationalism which bread Nazi-ism. *steps to one side to avoid swirling flames* 'Remember, measure life by the moments that take your breath away, not by how many breaths you take' Extreme Sports Cafe | ESC's blog | scratt's blog | @thescratt Last edited by scratt : 2005-06-23 at 12:09. |
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It's not just a piece of cloth, I am for the right to burn it, but have never felt the need or wanted to burn it.
I am currently opposed to much of what the government is doing, but it's not just a piece of cloth. Here is another thing I enjoyed when I heard it... Quote:
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Does this apply to the european flag? Love to burn one of them
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Which way is up?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boyzeee
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Unfortunately, the poll is too limited, so I shant vote!
I hate seeing our flag burn - it disgusts me, and anyone who wants to burn it for political reasons should pack up their crap and head for China. HOWEVER, our Constitution provides us with the right to demonstrate, up to and including dissention! Amendment IX: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." In other words, certain rights not defined BY the constitution are retained by the people. Obviously the government has the capacity, and the constitutionally-granted power, to change that through amendment. But, and this is arguable, there are some things that should be left alone. The government has a tendency to start small and work big. It will begin with US flag-burning, then state-flag burning, then burning anything that has a picture of a flag, then talking about burning a flag, then thinking about it . . . Most "patriots" think that restricting this kind of behavior will fix ALL of our problems. This will only increase in-fighting and serve to continue the downward spiral of our once-great nation. If you don't want flag-burners in the country, then we would be much better off returning our troops to our borders and stop letting the bastards in! - AppleNova is the best Mac-users forum on the internet. We are smart, educated, capable, and helpful. We are also loaded with smart-alecks! :) - Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. (Mat 5:9) |
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Speaking as a member of the military -- but not speaking for ALL the military...
This country was founded on revolution. We have the opportunity every four years (in principle, at least) to effectively overthrow the government and install new leadership. That expression of distaste for the government's actions -- and the ability to do something about it -- is what burning the flag is all about. Go ahead, impeach the President and send him to jail, and reload all of Congress with new faces. You don't have to worry. This is still gonna be the United States. |
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