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Originally Posted by PB PM All politicians are self-centred loons. You have to be a little messed up to want to put yourself through that crap. End of discussion.

Been saying this for years, now. Decades. Anyone wanting the job/actively campaigning for it (public office, and all the goes with it) automatically removes themselves from my consideration. The people I'd vote for/support, would never put themselves through the nonsense/circus. Those who want it at all costs, no matter what, are who truly scare/turn me off.

Originally Posted by PB PM Wait, people think she’s hot? Not just now that she older, but ever?

Not I. Ever. Some do. Something about her has always kinda repulsed me. I think she's benefitted greatly from being the daughter of two famous people. Normally, someone so physically unappealing - and devoid of talent - doesn't stand a shot in Hollywood/showbiz.

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Originally Posted by Bryson Also, what they're prosecuting him for is moderately inconsequential.

We don't know yet what the charges are since the indictment is still under seal, but yeah, if it's *just* campaign finance violations then it's pretty weak (though his lawyer did do time for the same charges, so....). I suspect there's more to it than that.

The real meat, imo, are some of the other investigations into criming. The Georgia investigations into election tampering and obstruction, and the special counsel investigations into stolen documents and espionage, Jared and crew funneling classified docs to Putin and the BoneSaudis, etc. Then there's the upcoming rape/defamation trial and J6 civil suits. I'm sure I'm forgetting some things.


EDIT: Instead of clogging the News thread – as much as I love to – I suggest we take any more Trump talk over to that other thread.

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Hey, let's not and say we did!

Nothing good ever comes from talking about this graceless, combover fat-ass. His very name poisons everything it touches, even just discussion about him.

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In my previous post I mentioned victims and Trump skating on a legal system that affords a lot of privilege to wealth and power. I'm not naive, I know it was ever thus, but I just want to clarify what I meant by those victims. If we take the sum of his/his company's abuses of tenants, contractors, workers, business partners, and regulations, then Trump has plenty of victims without getting into any of his behaviors as a politician.

His CV really ought to have disqualified him as a candidate back in June 2016: he hasn't had a professional relationship where he hasn't screwed the other guys over in the name of business, or at least tried. That's just not a history that should recommend a man to the office of president.

To me, his current legal predicament/s are still, overall, less interesting than the deeper legal/judicial/regulatory issues that suggest we're all just too comfortable letting the little guy get shafted in the name of business.

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Originally Posted by Bryson I'm also strongly against the Trump indictment, but for the opposite reason. What trump thrives on is publicity. And now, there's wall-to-wall coverage of him. He's the living embodiment of "all publicity is good publicity." I'd say it betters his chances of re-election, not worsens them.

This is all true — the press is eating it up, and he enjoys the martyrdom.

But "POTUS is not above the law" needs to be established as precedent. If not for Trump (or Nixon), then for people who follow them and feel free to break the rules.

Originally Posted by Bryson Also, what they're prosecuting him for is moderately inconsequential. If they were indicating him for orchestrating a coup on January 6th I might be in favour (although they should have done that a year ago) - but on a technicality of campaign finance / business expense reporting law? Weak sauce.

Agreed, but people get indicted for far less, and having committed a crime as part of his role in the coup may just be too hard to prove. Or it's yet to come.