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Kickaha
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2011-05-31, 15:11

Thanks, I hope so. (got a link to the dissertation online? I wouldn't mind taking a peek at it, if that's alright with you.)

Another weekend of ass-in-chair, another drop to the publisher.

Rejected subtitles so far:

"It done, bitches!"

"There, I fixed it for you." <--- I actually like this one ^_^

"No this isn't a chemistry book."

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709
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2011-05-31, 16:09

So my subtitle is still in the running?

Seriously man, the wet panties bit will sell *millions*
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Kickaha
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2011-05-31, 16:32

I'm thinking so! The publisher says there aren't enough women in CS to go that route, but I say "hey! what better way to pull them in!" Figure we can get an NSF Women in Science grant that way, amirite??

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2011-05-31, 16:53

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NSF Women
I can't quite decide if that NSF is for "National Science Foundation" or "Not Safe For"....

...especially in the context of 709's subtitle.
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2011-06-01, 01:04

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I can't quite decide if that NSF is for "National Science Foundation" or "Not Safe For"....

...especially in the context of 709's subtitle.
Oooh! Oooh! It could be one of those doubly things!!!
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Kickaha
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2011-06-03, 16:49

Holy shibnitz, I think they're *serious* about this whole 'book' thing...

http://www.amazon.com/Elemental-Desi...7136571&sr=8-1



*oontzoontzoontzoontz*
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2011-06-03, 16:58

Good for you!
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Kraetos
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2011-06-03, 17:28

You, sir, have a badass name.

And thank god someone is making an earnest effort to replace GoF because I did not enjoy that textbook one bit.
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Robo
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2011-06-03, 18:06

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You, sir, have a badass name.

And thank god someone is making an earnest effort to replace GoF because I did not enjoy that textbook one bit.
But Goblet of Fire was the turning point of the whole series!

OH.

Congrats, Kick! And yes, you do have a cool name. It's no Benedict Cumberbatch, but it's pretty cool.

Do you really go by "McC."? I've never seen anyone do that before, except I guess McG, the director. But I don't actually know a lot of McPeople.

*way too interested in people's names*

and i guess i've known it all along / the truth is, you have to be soft to be strong
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Kickaha
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2011-06-03, 18:13

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You, sir, have a badass name.
... BWAHAHAHAHAHA, er, thank you? That may be the first time I've ever been told *that*...

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And thank god someone is making an earnest effort to replace GoF because I did not enjoy that textbook one bit.
Oh no, sorry, this doesn't replace GoF, but it does give a better *introduction* to design patterns. If this is the freshman text, GoF is the junior level class.

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But Goblet of Fire was the turning point of the whole series!

OH.

Congrats, Kick! And yes, you do have a cool name. It's no Benedict Cumberbatch, but it's pretty cool.
That guy has the best name *EVER*. If I saw it in a book, I'd scoff at it being too perfect to be real.

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Do you really go by "McC."? I've never seen anyone do that before, except I guess McG, the director. But I don't actually know a lot of McPeople.

*way too interested in people's names*
Yup. The proper abbreviation of McXxxxxx is McX. If you abbreviated them just M., most of Scotland would be in one letter in the database. So the Mc is sort of ignored for abbreviation purposes. My middle name is McColm, and I am utterly unfindable as 'Jason Smith' online (even got quoted in a WSJ article on it!), so I use "Jason McC. Smith" for publications. It's google-unique.

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Robo
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2011-06-03, 18:19

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Yup. The proper abbreviation of McXxxxxx is McX. If you abbreviated them just M., most of Scotland would be in one letter in the database. So the Mc is sort of ignored for abbreviation purposes. My middle name is McColm, and I am utterly unfindable as 'Jason Smith' online (even got quoted in a WSJ article on it!), so I use "Jason McC. Smith" for publications. It's google-unique.
I knew that, I guess I just don't know anybody who actually goes by "McX.," since it's always their last name. But if it's your middle name, initializing it makes sense.

It means your name has thirteen letters, though.
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Kraetos
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2011-06-03, 18:21

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Oh no, sorry, this doesn't replace GoF, but it does give a better *introduction* to design patterns. If this is the freshman text, GoF is the junior level class.
Well GoF is how I was introduced to design patterns so... yeah.

Yeah I guess it would be difficult to outright replace GoF because it's pretty much the standard, but it is not an easy read.

Sadly, being a technology pundit is truly never having to say you’re sorry. You can be wrong for years and never lose your job.—The Macalope
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Kickaha
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2011-06-03, 19:31

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I knew that, I guess I just don't know anybody who actually goes by "McX.," since it's always their last name. But if it's your middle name, initializing it makes sense.

It means your name has thirteen letters, though.
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Kickaha
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2011-06-03, 19:32

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Well GoF is how I was introduced to design patterns so... yeah.

Yeah I guess it would be difficult to outright replace GoF because it's pretty much the standard, but it is not an easy read.
No, it's really not, and why I undertook this. GoF is *GREAT* and an amazing revelation *IF* you're already a seasoned programmer who has run across the problems they state.

If you *haven't*, like, say, when you're just starting out, then you're left wondering why the hell you should care.

This work grew out of a project to teach a computer to automatically detect design patterns in source code. I had to break down 'software design' into a formalized, repeatable process, and find the core basic features to look for first, then the software could build them up into the more established GoF level patterns.

And then it occurred to me, that if I could teach a computer to do it, I might be able to teach students how to do the same: Here's your basic taxonomy of concepts, here's how they interact, and here's how they can be used as building blocks. ie, teach students how to *think* about design from the ground up.

And I do mean the ground up. One of the EDPs is Recursion, for god's sake. Another is Create Object... which is a 12 page discussion on why, and how, etc. It's pretty damned fundamental.

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Kraetos
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2011-06-03, 20:02

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And I do mean the ground up. One of the EDPs is Recursion, for god's sake. Another is Create Object... which is a 12 page discussion on why, and how, etc. It's pretty damned fundamental.
That's awesome, though. It took me a while to really grok recursion. I mean, I "got" the concept when it was explained to me in data structures, but it wasn't until a few classes later that I was staring at the output of a recursive function I was trying to debug when I realized "oh! THIS is why recursion is useful!"

So, yeah. I'm interested. And just last week I thought I would never want to see another CS textbook again

Sadly, being a technology pundit is truly never having to say you’re sorry. You can be wrong for years and never lose your job.—The Macalope
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Kickaha
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2011-06-03, 21:31

LOL I'm so sorry...

The real spiffy part (I think) is that there's an entire 'periodic table' based off of actual OO theory, such that you can describe any method call, or method call chain, (that's all this first book describes, is method calls) in a system in terms of what the relationship is between the end points. This lets someone talk about the system not in regards to the implementation details, but as a series of concepts, independent of the actual implementation structure.

And, since each method call sits within this 'periodic table', and has neighbors, any refactoring can tell you precisely what's going to happen by where your endpoint relationship will end up in the design space. And then you can propagate that up the design hierarchy and watch even very large design patterns change and shift, if the relationships are altered. If the implementation changes, but *doesn't* alter the relationship between the endpoints, then the concepts don't change, and the design remains stable.

By putting it on a formal footing, you get an amazing amount of power, but by writing them up as human-oriented design patterns, you get comprehensibility. By making them *small* concepts, you can introduce the ideas to a beginner, and get them thinking about software at higher levels of abstraction from day 1.

So you learn the concepts, and you learn how they relate to each other, and you get roadmaps for where you're likely to end up next.

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Ryan
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2011-07-31, 18:09

Is there a release date for this? I'm hoping to get my hands on a copy once it's out.
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Kickaha
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2011-09-11, 18:33

Apparently the publisher got nervous about my progress and bumped it out to Mar 2012, but it is available for pre-order.

And I just sent in the entire ball of wax. The only thing not done at this point is the index, and they said they'd handle that.

444 pages, 167 figures, and 18 months later... holy shit, I wrote a book.

Excuse me, I'm going to go get very drunk now.

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2011-09-11, 19:05

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Apparently the publisher got nervous about my progress and bumped it out to Mar 2012, but it is available for pre-order.

And I just sent in the entire ball of wax. The only thing not done at this point is the index, and they said they'd handle that.

444 pages, 167 figures, and 18 months later... holy shit, I wrote a book.

Excuse me, I'm going to go get very drunk now.
Grats!
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Robo
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2011-09-11, 20:06

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holy shit, I wrote a book.

Excuse me, I'm going to go get very drunk now.
The only proper response.

If you want to really freak yourself out, count the words.

And congratulations! As a published author, you're a member of a pretty exclusive club. (*grits teeth with envy*)

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Kickaha
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2012-01-21, 19:04

Hey all - copyediting is in full swing now, and then off to production and galleys it goes. Whee!

Setting up a basic super simple website for the book and materials, hosted at DreamHost, one-click WordPress, blah blah blah... anyone have a good theme to recommend?

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2012-03-20, 20:59

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Holy shibnitz, I think they're *serious* about this whole 'book' thing...

http://www.amazon.com/Elemental-Desi...7136571&sr=8-1


This whole 'book' thing is very exciting. I wish to offer the most intense congratulations on your completion of this remarkable work. The relief must be positively massive.

I thought the "book description" at this link was very clearly written and quite understandable, even for those who don't have even a shred of a clue. I doubt that I'll be buying a copy, however. Maybe I could visit one at a bookstore one of these days though.

In the meantime, any chance you could quote a few lines from Grady's foreward? (Or, even better, quote the *whole* foreward?) I'm positively *dying* to read what he says, especially since I remember waaay back to when you first met him at that conference. (Was it in Philly?) And you went up and introduced yourself to him after he finished speaking. And you told me that he was a god-like being. heh

And I can't help thinking back to those days when you were sleeping on a cot in your graduate-student office in NC and procrastinating wrt working on your dissertation by hanging out at AI at 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning. I guess that must have been in the fall of 2003, wasn't it? Before the birth of AN.

Well, anyway, as I said, this is all very exciting.

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Kickaha
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2012-03-27, 18:05

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This whole 'book' thing is very exciting. I wish to offer the most intense congratulations on your completion of this remarkable work. The relief must be positively massive.

I thought the "book description" at this link was very clearly written and quite understandable, even for those who don't have even a shred of a clue. I doubt that I'll be buying a copy, however. Maybe I could visit one at a bookstore one of these days though.
Yes! Shipping April 9th!

But... available through Kindle now, I just found out!

http://www.amazon.com/Elemental-Desi...2879029&sr=8-2

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In the meantime, any chance you could quote a few lines from Grady's foreward? (Or, even better, quote the *whole* foreward?) I'm positively *dying* to read what he says, especially since I remember waaay back to when you first met him at that conference. (Was it in Philly?) And you went up and introduced yourself to him after he finished speaking. And you told me that he was a god-like being. heh
LOL OMG, that was... 2005, in Pittsburgh. I introduced myself to him, and to the other keynote speaker. I worked with Grady at IBM, and the other keynote speaker? Now my boss.

Grady was kind enough to write the Foreword, just a bit ago, JUST in time for publication:

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There’s a wonderful scene in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey that comes to mind.

Having spent several months alone on the derelict ship Discovery—and that after having earlier lobotomized the errant Hal—Dr. David Bowman approaches a monolith that draws him in to a new world. His final message back to earth ends “It’s full of stars!”

Software-intensive systems are new worlds that we create with our own mental labor. Whereas the world that Bowman saw was formed from atoms and thus full of stars, our worlds are formed from bits...and are full of patterns.

Whether intentional or not, all well-structured software intensive systems are full of patterns. Identifying the patterns in a system serves to raise the level of abstraction in reasoning about that system; imposing patterns on a system serves to bring even further order, elegance, and simplicity to that system. In my experience, patterns are one of the most important developments in software engineering in the past two decades.

I’ve had the pleasure of working with Jason as he evolved his work on SPQR, and let me assure you that he has contributed greatly to the advance of the understanding and practice of patterns. Elemental Design Patterns will help you think about patterns in a new way, a way that will help you apply patterns to improve the software worlds that you create and evolve. If you are new to patterns, this is a great book to start your journey; if you are an old hand with patterns, then I expect you’ll learn some new things. I certainly did.

Grady Booch
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February 2012
Spiffy. ^_^

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And I can't help thinking back to those days when you were sleeping on a cot in your graduate-student office in NC and procrastinating wrt working on your dissertation by hanging out at AI at 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning. I guess that must have been in the fall of 2003, wasn't it? Before the birth of AN.
Oh lord, yeah, I spent way too much time on AI. LOL

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Well, anyway, as I said, this is all very exciting.
Thank you so much, I'm really rather over the moon today. Recorded some short video podcasts recently for the publisher, and now we're discussing online lectures...

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Wyatt
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2012-06-04, 15:01

Everybody check this out: Our boy Kickaha just got a review over at Slashdot that's practically glowing. Way to go!

http://books.slashdot.org/story/12/0...esign-patterns
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Kickaha
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2012-06-04, 19:37

Thanks man! Saw it this afternoon, and my eyes about bugged out. LOL

*bounce bounce*

I HIT SLASHDOT!

(again)

HEE
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2012-06-04, 19:50

OK, if I don't even understand the review I guess I have no hope with the book.

Good for you, sir!

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Kickaha
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2012-06-04, 20:24

Meh, I thought the reviewer actually sold it more as a theoretical system (which, okay, it *is*) than a collection of introductory design patterns. Given that he's an established practitioner, that makes sense, that's his focus, but I wrote the book to also target new programmers, as an introduction to the literature and a new way of thinking about programming in general.

So, like, don't get scared off by his review. I swear to god it's not that complex.

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2012-06-04, 21:35

The review really made me want to read it. I'm not really a beginner, but I'm about 90% self-taught, so I don't have much formal background. I immediately added the Kindle version to my Amazon wish list. It sounds great.
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Kickaha
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2012-06-04, 21:55

Cool, thanks! Do let me know what you think about it, I'm already forming the edit list for 2nd ed.
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OK, if I don't even understand the review I guess I have no hope with the book.


Same.
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