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atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-25, 22:01

Are there any Content Management Systems (WordPress, Movable Type, etc.) that can be hosted using OS X's built-in web server? Cause that would be awesome.

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 22:07

Most should work. The usual requirements are Apache, PHP, and MySQL. So once you've installed those, everything should basically run. I've even seen specific instructions for some systems, though I don't remember which right now. But just follow the instructions for Linux/Unix, and you should be fine.

Batman · 2006-01-25, 22:07

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Originally Posted by atomicbartbeans

Are there any Content Management Systems (WordPress, Movable Type, etc.) that can be hosted using OS X's built-in web server? Cause that would be awesome.

Any of them could be hosted on the built in web server, but you would need to install MySQL and PHP first.

Edit : Darn - ghoti beat me to it

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-25, 22:09

Where do I get PHP and MySQL... and how hard are they to install?

Edit: Would this work?

http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 22:11

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Edit : Darn - ghoti beat me to it

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ghoti · 2006-01-25, 22:13

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Edit: Would this work?

http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/

It's linked from php.net, so that's what I'd try. I haven't used PHP on my Mac, but I have a few things running in Perl and Python, that work exactly the same on my Linux server.

torifile · 2006-01-25, 22:14

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Originally Posted by atomicbartbeans

Where do I get PHP and MySQL... and how hard are they to install?

Edit: Would this work?

http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/

I think the entropy PHP package is the best pre-built binary. You can get mySQL from mysql.com, pre-built for OS X.

Brad · 2006-01-25, 22:20

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I think the entropy PHP package is the best pre-built binary. You can get mySQL from mysql.com, pre-built for OS X.

x2

These are the same packages I use.

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-25, 22:23

RIght, well on the Entropy version of PHP, it says

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All software is installed into a new directory /usr/local/php5 on your boot volume. If you ever want to get rid of the package, you only have to remove this directory and a few easily recognized lines in the /etc/httpd/httpd.conf Apache web server configuration file.

But I want to use (and have been using) the web server in the root directory. Will this still work?

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 22:36

You mean Apache's document root? Sure, that won't change.

rollercoaster375 · 2006-01-25, 22:42

The PHP install dir is completely unrelated to the web content dir.

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-25, 22:50

Alright... PHP and MySQL are installed. Now, what's a good CMS for setting up a web site (both a blog and some static pages), and maybe a good PHP forum system, so visitors to my site could discuss stuff? WordPress seems nice for CMS, and PHPbb for a forum, but what else is out there?

Brad · 2006-01-25, 22:55

Do what I did; write your own.

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 22:57

Joomla! (formerly Mambo) is great, though it takes some time to get into. But the user interface is pretty good, and there's really nothing it can't do. If you just need a blog and a few static pages, you might be better served with a blog program, however.

Brad · 2006-01-25, 23:00

We used Mambo for the AppleNova front end. It has a nice admin interface, but editing the templates wasn't fun. It entailed editing the "template" file as well as a bunch of modules because Mambo just doesn't (or didn't) do a good job keeping the view separate from the model/controller.

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 23:03

I have yet to see a CMS that doesn't require you to do that, and that isn't dog slow. MediaWiki stores its design in a database, and it's a nightmare. Do you know any good alternatives? And what about BradCMS9000 (since you brought it up)?

Brad · 2006-01-25, 23:06

My own "CMS" is a bit of a mess, admittedly, and is completely custom-tailored to my own needs. No one else would want to use it, really.

PS. This topic is 13337!

ghoti · 2006-01-25, 23:17

Sounds like the thing I hacked up some time ago ...

I know I won't find the time to make it decent, so I'm still looking for something as good as this one was going to be if it ever were finished ...

Brad · 2006-01-25, 23:25

By the way, it's certainly possible for a CMS to store its design in a database and be fast. vBulletin, while not a CMS in the strictest sense, stores all of its templates (HUNDREDS of 'em) in the database and pieces them together on the fly.

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-25, 23:27

Oh yeah... since I installed MySQL, do I need to do anything to secure the database, so people can't connect to it and mess everything up?

rollercoaster375 · 2006-01-25, 23:49

MySQL requires a user and password for any sort of connection. Keep that safe, and disable remote connections, and you'll be fine.

Also, if you can get around the horid templating, Wordpress is an excellent CMS, if you use it as such.

ShadowOfGed · 2006-01-26, 00:27

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Do what I did; write your own.

Seconded!

Except mine used mod_perl, HTML::Mason, and PostgreSQL, all atop Apache. On Linux.

Great learning experience though, so I'd suggest it for the "growth" even if there are ready-made solutions available.

Wickers · 2006-01-26, 00:59

I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet:

http://opensourcecms.com/

They have test admin and user accounts on most major open source CMS, CRM and blog packages.

Usually, they will say to use a LAMP stack, but you should be able to use OSX just fine.

Don't forget to included mod_php in apache, or apache won't be able to use php. Unless the PHP installer already does that for you? I'm not sure.

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-26, 08:34

Hehe, I've just discovered PHPMyAdmin for configuring MySQL (which is how far I got last night). I was lost in terminal before trying to set privileges... this makes it a breeze!

Gargoyle · 2006-01-26, 11:46

Great timing. The Entropy packages are good, but if you are keen to learn how to build these yourself or want some custom stuff compiled into your PHP check out my latest blog posts - linky in the other thread.

Brad, hopefully I'll be getting back into PHP dev soon... I really am writing my blog in realtime as I build the packages on my own system.

torifile · 2006-01-26, 21:22

Wordpress is a good blogging package with decent support for static pages. I've spent about a day trying to get it figure out and I've come pretty far.

atomicbartbeans · 2006-01-28, 15:44

Alright, I've decided on WordPress for my CMS. The thing is, I already have a wordpress.com blog here. Any chance I can import the entries/comments/etc. to my new installation of WordPress?

torifile · 2006-01-28, 16:34

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Alright, I've decided on WordPress for my CMS. The thing is, I already have a wordpress.com blog here. Any chance I can import the entries/comments/etc. to my new installation of WordPress?

I'm sure it's doable. This page looks like it's got some good info.

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