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turtle
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2022-10-03, 09:18


I've killed and restart Safari. Rebooted the computer. Nothing seems to work.

macOS 12.6 and Safari 15

If I had to guess, it is an issue with iOS cloud sync and Monterey that will be resolved with macOS 13. But that is just a guess. anyone else have trouble bookmarking sites?

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turtle
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2022-10-03, 09:37

BTW, if I'm on my iPad I can still save bookmarks and create bookmark folders. I haven't tried on my phone yet, but will now that I realizes it is on a different version of Safari from the iPad.

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turtle
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2022-10-03, 09:42

So my phone and iPad are in sync but the MBP isn't. I have to believe it is an incompatibility of Monterey with the backend of iCloud for syncing.

Am I the only one with this issue?

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kscherer
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2022-10-03, 10:41

Go to iCloud settings and turn off Safari syncing, then turn it back on. See what happens.
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turtle
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2022-10-03, 10:49


I did that and it popped this up. I approved and it said "Setting up...".

Thanks to your comment I just noticed the cloud icon (Show iCloud Tabs) in my browser is greyed out and not selectable.

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turtle
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2022-10-03, 12:09

The iCloud Tabs is now selectable (and functions) but the bookmarks still don't sync. I've made changes on the MBP different from changes in the iOS/iPadOS devices. This sync fine with changes to either but the MBP is still out in the cold.

Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a notion of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”
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kscherer
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2022-10-03, 12:30

Gotta love the weird.
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turtle
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2022-10-03, 12:36

Yeah. Most of the time I ask for help here it is beyond others on the forum. I figured maybe I'm not the only one though.

I know there is an iCloud connection for Safari because the cloud tabs do update and work as expected. Bookmarks just give me the middle finger, while laughing.

I could conceivably export the bookmarks (at least I assume I can), then delete them completely and then see if they sync.

Maybe I just do a clean install of macOS 13 instead and see how that does. So many custom configurations on this machine though. Tweaks, terminal things with homebrew, Xcode CLI, etc...


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2022-10-03, 12:41

Unfortunately, while there’s some logging, iCloud tends to leave very little in terms of actionable information. You can log out of iCloud and back in, but that’s rather scary to do.
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turtle
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2022-10-03, 13:25

Maybe I'll try to disable iCloud Safari, reboot, enable iCloud Safari sync again and then reboot one more time for giggles.

I don't think logging out of iCloud would do it given I do have iCloud Tabs working. There is a connection still. Like, I just opened a new tab on my iPad and it is listed with the iCloud tabs on the MBP.

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turtle
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2022-10-03, 14:12

How can I export my phone/iPad bookmarks without a third party app or is that the only way?

Is there a good and trusted third party app to do so?

The macOS export is as easy as I expected. All the guides for the iOS/iPadOS are involving iCloud sync and then export from the Mac/PC.

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turtle
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2022-10-03, 14:39

OK, it is only my MBP that is having problems. I just realized I have another Mac running 24/7 that is on my iCloud account. I checked Safari on it and the bookmarks are up-to-date. So my MBP is flipping me off.

At least I figured out how I can backup my phone/iPad bookmarks without a third party software. Now I'm going to run a diff on the two exports and clean it up. By the time I'm done I'll have purged a bunch of junk AND have them in sync, one way or another!

Still not exactly sure how I'm going to get the MBP to sync and stay synced though. I can overwrite the initial bookmarks with what is in iCloud for the start though.

Louis L'Amour, “To make democracy work, we must be a notion of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”
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2022-10-03, 14:58

I was going to suggest turning off iCloud bookmarks in System Prefs and restarting, but I see you just tried that. Hmm...

Maybe after restarting but before turning iCloud Safari back on, add a few new temporary bookmarks on the iPad. Just to see if that jumpstarts some syncing on the MBP.

Strange problem.

So it goes.
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kscherer
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2022-10-03, 15:17

Hey, 709, isn't there that fancy iCloud service you found that you were able to quit and restart? In Activity Monitor or something?
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709
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2022-10-03, 15:42

Ya, the 'cloudd' process back when T wanted to restart iCloud drive completely. Why iCloud has this continuing grudge against turtle is a mystery.
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turtle
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2022-10-03, 15:49

What is the fix permission thing to run on my ~/Library. Maybe it is an ownership issue.

Believe it or not, I did try to kill the "cloudd" process already. Did that before I rebooted last time.

I'm going to try your suggestion on the reboot/enable steps, 709. Maybe it will do it.

I found /Users/turtle/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist and am likely to try deleting it without iCloud sync enabled and see how it responds once I enable it again.

At this very moment I'm working through the bookmarks to make sure I have the ones I really want. My MBP is most accurate but I do have some on my mobile devices that I want too. So I don't want to nuke one or the other. I have them backed up now so it won't be a huge loss either way. Just trying to minimize lost time on this.

And yes, this MBP and iCloud really have a grudge against me for some reason. Maybe I REALLY do need to do a clean wipe.

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2022-10-03, 18:16

This is crazy. I have nothing to offer, but jeez oh pete!!


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turtle
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2022-10-03, 18:17

Yeah, I'm on to something here. My MBP:
Code:
Quicksilver:Desktop turtle$ ls -lah /Users/turtle/Library/Safari total 0 ls: /Users/turtle/Library/Safari: Operation not permitted
RackMini:
Code:
RackMini:Movies turtle$ ls -lah /Users/turtle/Library/Safari total 74384 drwxr-xr-x@ 38 turtle staff 1.2K Oct 3 15:46 . drwx------@ 84 turtle staff 2.6K Apr 5 11:52 .. -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 48K Feb 26 2022 AutoFillCorrections.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Sep 23 19:12 AutoFillCorrections.db-shm -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Feb 26 2022 AutoFillCorrections.db-wal -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 167B Feb 26 2022 AutomaticBookmarksBackup.html -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 12K Feb 26 2022 BlockedBannerHighlights.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Feb 26 2022 BlockedBannerHighlights.db-wal -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 5.5M Oct 3 15:46 Bookmarks.plist -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 12M Feb 28 2022 CloudAutoFillCorrections.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Sep 23 19:13 CloudAutoFillCorrections.db-shm -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Feb 28 2022 CloudAutoFillCorrections.db-wal drwxr-xr-x@ 3 turtle staff 96B Feb 26 2022 CloudBookmarksMigrationCoordinator -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 1.0K Oct 2 20:18 CloudHistoryRemoteConfiguration.plist -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 236K Mar 11 2022 CloudTabs.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Mar 15 2022 CloudTabs.db-shm -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Mar 11 2022 CloudTabs.db-wal -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Feb 26 2022 ContentBlockerStatistics.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Feb 26 2022 ContentBlockerStatistics.db-wal drwxr-xr-x@ 3 turtle staff 96B Feb 26 2022 Databases -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 65B Aug 31 16:59 Downloads.plist drwxr-xr-x@ 7 turtle staff 224B Feb 26 2022 Favicon Cache -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 17M Oct 3 15:43 History.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 0B Feb 26 2022 History.db-lock -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Sep 23 19:12 History.db-shm -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 845K Oct 3 18:58 History.db-wal drwxr-xr-x@ 2 turtle staff 64B Sep 23 19:12 LocalStorage -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 7.6K Sep 30 19:02 PasswordBreachStore.plist -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 24K Aug 15 22:41 PerSitePreferences.db -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Sep 23 19:12 PerSitePreferences.db-shm -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 137K Oct 1 21:50 PerSitePreferences.db-wal drwxr-xr-x@ 7 turtle staff 224B Feb 26 2022 ReadingListArchives -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 32K Oct 3 15:41 RecentlyClosedTabs.plist -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 637B Sep 6 20:49 SearchDescriptions.plist -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 2.5K Apr 20 09:23 SitesAllowedToAutoplay.plist drwxr-xr-x@ 12 turtle staff 384B Oct 3 15:47 Template Icons -rw-r--r--@ 1 turtle staff 858B Feb 26 2022 TopSites.plist drwxr-xr-x@ 6 turtle staff 192B Feb 26 2022 Touch Icons Cache RackMini:Movies turtle$
So when I check on the MBP:
Code:
ls -lah /Users/turtle/Library/ ... drwxr-xr-x@ 49 turtle staff 1.5K Oct 3 16:57 Safari ... Quicksilver:Desktop turtle$ sudo ls -lah /Users/turtle/Library/Safari total 0 ls: /Users/turtle/Library/Safari: Operation not permitted
As a comparison from RackMini:
Code:
drwxr-xr-x@ 38 turtle staff 1.2K Oct 3 15:46 Safari
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turtle
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2022-10-03, 18:27

Code:
Quicksilver:Desktop turtle$ sudo find /Users/turtle/Library -type f -mtime ++90w > Library.txt find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/MobileSync: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/CallHistoryTransactions: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/CloudDocs/session/db: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/com.apple.sharedfilelist: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/Knowledge: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/com.apple.TCC: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/FileProvider: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/com.apple.avfoundation/Frecents: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Application Support/CallHistoryDB: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Assistant/SiriVocabulary: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Autosave Information: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/IdentityServices: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Messages: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/HomeKit: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Sharing: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Mail: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/DuetExpertCenter: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Accounts: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Safari: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Biome: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Shortcuts: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Suggestions: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Group Containers/group.com.apple.secure-control-center-preferences: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Group Containers/group.com.apple.notes: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.VoiceMemos: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.archiveutility: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.Home: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.Safari: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.iChat: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.CloudDocs.MobileDocumentsFileProvider: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.Notes: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.news: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.corerecents.recentsd/Data/Library/Recents: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Containers/com.apple.stocks: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/PersonalizationPortrait: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Metadata/CoreSpotlight: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Metadata/com.apple.IntelligentSuggestions: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Cookies: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/CoreFollowUp: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/StatusKit: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.HomeKit: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.safaridavclient: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.HomeKit.configurations: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/CloudKit: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.findmy.imagecache: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.findmy: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.findmy.fmfcore: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari.SafeBrowsing: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/FamilyCircle: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.homed: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.findmy.fmipcore: Operation not permitted find: /Users/turtle/Library/Caches/com.apple.ap.adprivacyd: Operation not permitted
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2022-10-03, 23:53

You probably want to give Terminal Full Disk Access. (Buyer beware, though.)
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turtle
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2022-10-04, 16:07

Quote:
Originally Posted by chucker View Post
You probably want to give Terminal Full Disk Access. (Buyer beware, though.)
This was it. I thought I had enabled it on this machine already so I didn't think to check it again.
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turtle
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2022-10-11, 16:51

I've started the painful process of moving to a new account on my MBP. So much customization I'm having to redo. Not everything thankfully, but so many things.

My mail settings are hosed too. I assumed it would sync over those changes, nope. Mail only has a much older set of accounts configured. So clearly my main account on here has had iCloud issues for a long time.

I do use my NAS a lot so this is helping with my file migrations but still. So many little things.

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turtle
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2022-10-12, 10:27

Well this is interesting....

Last night I started building my new account on the MBP. I signed it into my iCloud account on that new account. Today I'm still working from my original account and now everything is syncing.

I did not log out of my old account just switched users. So something is keeping iCloud running right now.

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drewprops
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2022-10-12, 15:24

Have you checked that light switch in the basement that doesn't seem to connect to anything???


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turtle
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2022-10-13, 08:15

I have! I keep switching it like it will FINALLY do something and nothing.

Off-topic (click to toggle):
I actually have a ton of those in my house. The builder didn't want two gang boxes so there are three gang everywhere. Most of them have a switch that does nothing. I even took the plate off to check, no wires to the middle at all.

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2022-10-13, 14:08

Not fixed. I just had to restart "cloudd" to get my iCloud Drive to sync. Guess I'm gonna make the move no matter what now.
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