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Eugene
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2012-01-07, 11:54

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Tangential perhaps (not relevant, forgive), but shouldn't there be a vs. FW800 in the title?
My guess is Firewire will be phased out completely by the end of the year. Macs available in 2013 will instead have additional Thunderbolt ports. If anyone needs Firewire, it will be available via third party docks/adapters or the Apple Thunderbolt Display.
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2012-01-07, 12:10

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My guess is Firewire will be phased out completely by the end of the year. Macs available in 2013 will instead have additional Thunderbolt ports. If anyone needs Firewire, it will be available via third party docks/adapters or the Apple Thunderbolt Display.
Eh... Unless a FW -> Thunderbolt adaptor is really cheap, I'd be a bit surprised. I think I see where you're going with it though, and I'm not sure I disagree.

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2012-01-07, 12:47

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Eh... Unless a FW -> Thunderbolt adaptor is really cheap, I'd be a bit surprised. I think I see where you're going with it though, and I'm not sure I disagree.
We'll see. So far, the only things close to that are a $149 Thunderbolt to ExpressCard/34 adapter from Sonnet, on top of which you should theoretically be able to use a $15 FireWire ExpressCard. Not really practical nor affordable.

Or, there's the to-launch-in-spring-2012 Belkin Thunderbolt Express Dock with (I believe) no known price.

Either has the upside that they could provide other facilities as well — USB 3.0, eSATA, etc. in the former case, and specifically three USB (2.0, presumably) and one Gigabit Ethernet port. But neither is a compelling out-of-the-box solution just yet.

That said, it's early, and prices will come down. I'm no electrical engineer, but if you can make a $15 ExpressCard-to-FireWire adapter, surely you can do one from Thunderbolt for roughly the same price; internally, they're both PCIe.

Eugene is probably right that direct FireWire ports don't have much of a future in Macs.
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Eugene
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2012-01-07, 12:51

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Eh... Unless a FW -> Thunderbolt adaptor is really cheap, I'd be a bit surprised. I think I see where you're going with it though, and I'm not sure I disagree.
PCIe FW800 adapters cost as low as $20-25. You might pay a small premium on top of that for a plastic housing and the Thunderbolt controller, so I imagine a high-end FW800 dock with 3-4 ports and LaCie branding would cost ~$50.
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2012-01-09, 12:18

So Belkin's Dock will launch in fall and be $299.

Would have been pricey at a third.
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2012-01-09, 15:51

Are we in DOA territory yet?
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2012-01-09, 16:43

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Are we in DOA territory yet?
Maybe. It is more than just a Firewire adaptor, but I don't necessarily want everything else it does.
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Eugene
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2012-01-09, 16:48

It seems to have gained a few ports. FW800, GigE, heaphone jack via USB Audio(?), HDMI, Thunderbolt and USB 2.0 in all. $150 would have been a reasonable. I'd love a dock of some sort for my MBA without having to shell out for a glossy Thunderbolt display.
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2012-01-09, 17:02

Well, if Lenovo decides to go with TB I would expect a lot more TB accessories to follow. And probably at a more reasonable pricepoint.
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2012-01-09, 21:37

Do you suppose that a portion of the estimated retail price is based partially on some sort of licensing fees, or simply on a predicted initial limited demand?


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2012-01-09, 22:04

I thought I read on Anandtech that there was no licensing cost, as contrast to Firewire. I also vaguely recall reading somewhere that each controller costs somewhere in the range of $90 (but I can't seem to find that citation).

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2012-01-10, 01:01

So then if it's merely a volume:cost thing the cost of these setups should drop in a manner not dissimilar to that of other widely adopted systems like USB (should they be widely adopted). Let's see what kind of "umph" the industry throws behind this connector. I think that accessory manufacturers are all too ready to see a new reason to re-sell people a whole new wave of scanners and printers and hard drives and whatnot.

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Eugene
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2012-01-10, 02:42

I think most scanner and printer manufacturers will eschew the port for the same reason they ignored FW800. It's unnecessary and more expensive for them compared to USB 2.0. And while USB 2.0 is still cheaper than USB 3.0, it's not by much.

Thunderbolt will eventually make its way onto high-end video cards for even wider adoption. Just about any enthusiast PC sold today comes mini-DP.
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2012-02-01, 22:30

Tada!!!

The Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt Adapter is FINALLY here!!!

It's faster, but pricey.



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