Stallion
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milwaukee
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Always tie your tie in a full windsor knot. It looks much better than a half-windsor (which I believe is what most people do that aren't experienced in tying ties). That's all.
Here's a really good video on the matter. http://www.ehow.com/video_4957397_ti...dsor-knot.html ...and calling/e-mailing/texting ex-girlfriends on the off-chance they'll invite you over for some "old time's sake" no-strings couch gymnastics... |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
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Clip-ons FTFW.
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Rocket Surgeon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The Canadark
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Random, but agreed. Windsor FTW.
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: El Dorado County, California
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I'm glad that none of our uniforms have ties anymore. Our winter season working uniform used to require them, and I absolutely hated wearing it. It will not be missed.
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Location: Inner Swabia. If you have to ask twice, don't.
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I prefer the half-windsor given that is is generally much thinner than the full windsor...
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No. Just no.
No ties. When I have to wear a tie (that is everyday ) I make it up as I go along and I get a functional knot that looks different everyday. And it always looks good. More recently though I've settled on a modified four in hand style knot. It works, it's self releasing, it looks good. I don't know. I've always felt the Windsor was compensating for something. Big tie knot = something lacking somewhere else. |
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awesome Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Portland, OR
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Thunderbolt, fuck yeah!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Denmark
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Leiden, the Netherlands
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Agreed 100% and am luckily in the same position. I actually refused a job once because ties were mandatory (in a call centre, for heavens sake..).
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: United Chavdom of Little Britain
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I've even got to the point now where I'm not interested in any job where I can't just wear what I want. I'm not in a customer facing role (and if I do meet customers I will naturally smarten up a bit), so there is very little point in "smart casual" for me. I just feel uncomfortable all day, and that impacts on my productivity. "It's like a new pair of underwear. At first it's constrictive, but after a while it becomes a part of you." |
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hmm?
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Christ, is this what the world has come to? People bleating about businesswear being uncomfortable, unproductive, and, apparently, compensating for tiny penises? No doubt humvees, big houses, pretty spouses and successful careers do too.
At the risk of sounding like an utter popinjay, a good quality tie separates men from boys. There's an element of tradition to it, sure, but that doesn't mean it's bad per se. Ties and suits are an equaliser in the workplace just like uniform is at school. They're also a message to clients and customers to say that you take their time and money seriously (ever seen that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where the guy storms out of the lawyer's office on casual Friday?) I think if you're working in a call-centre or low-level, non customer-facing role then fine, if you don't want to wear a tie with your suit then that's okay. But top firms (at least in Europe) generally demand that you have a degree of sartorial self-interest. Don't wear a clip-on tie ever. If your boss has half a brain he'll be able to tell it's a clip-on tie, and that'll tell him everything he needs to know about someone who puts in the least amount of effort. I'm Joseph Fritzl, and no windows was my idea. |
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Formerly “adambrennan”
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northern Ireland
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Windsor knot ftw!!
I don't even know how most people get the usual 'wrap round a few times then tuck down' thing to stay together at all. |
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Hmm?
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I will occasionally retie my knot as a half-windsor ('wrap it round a few times and tuck down') if I want to undo my top button and (literally) roll my sleeves up at the end of the day.
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: that interweb thing
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I've got some shorter ones that can only manage a 4-in-hand or half Windsor, and a few longer ones that fail with anything less than complex knots. A few favourites that suit small knot better than large, and a vintage one or two of irregular shape... but I don't think I have skinny leather 80s ties anymore. No Windsors possible with them. In many 'suit required' environments, it's the only real element of male plumage / opportunity for individuality. If you've got to wear one, use it. edit: Been years since I had a job that 'required' it... last job almost discouraged it except for events/external meetings. No sartorial workout. All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. |
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I am so glad that in AFJROTC, women only had to wear tie tabs and not ties. I did, however, learn how to tie the Windsor so I could show freshies how to do it.
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I'll wear a tie when society expects me to, and I can look good in a suit. But if a potential employer expects me to do that every day, it's really their loss, not mine. |
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Not when there are thousands of equally skilled individuals who don't throw their toys out of the pram when an employer makes a reasonable request about attire I'm Joseph Fritzl, and no windows was my idea. |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: New Jersey
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Oh, I <3 the windsor knot. There's a certain art to getting all different widths/lengths of ties to work with it- I have a fairly skinny, but quite long black tie that looks great with a very tightly wrapped full windsor.
While we're dealing with ties, there's another statement I must make: clip-on bowties are just as hideous and tacky as clip-on straight ties. The 25 minutes it takes to learn how to properly tie a bowtie and practice enough times to get it right is absolutely worth it. I'm a singer, so I actually get to wear tuxes fairly often; and it's amazing to see just how few people know how to tie a bowtie. It's actually fairly difficult to find formal satin/silk bowties that aren't pre-tied, the problem is so bad. Self-tied bowties look better while on and are LOTS of fun to take off (wink, wink, hint, hint). Ale, man, ale's the stuff to drink For fellows whom it hurts to think |
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OK Mr. Sunshine!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Toronto
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I had to wear ties to school, and I'm delighted to very rarely have to wear them now. If there's a conference or something, I might put one on, but other than that I'm glad I don't have to. You'd look weird in our dept. in a tie - my supervisor wears a hoodie to class sometimes, and she's the most professional and hard working person I've met in my life.
The connection between doing what you're told, wearing a uniform to work, etc. and productivity is likely weak at best. I certainly don't see it at my "workplace". That said, I'm going to get a nice suit for when I start looking for work (about 7 years from now), because you do need them (and ties) for job interviews. It's pretty ridiculous in a way, because no one wears them once they're hired. Anyway, on the subject of ties: I've probably tied a tie a couple of thousand times in my life, and I have no idea of what knot I use. I wrap it around twice and then pull it up the back, then down through the second loop. If that makes any sense... Do not be oppressed by the forces of ignorance and delusion! But rise up now with resolve and courage! Entranced by ignorance, from beginningless time until now, You have had more than enough time to sleep. So do not slumber any longer, but strive after virtue with body, speech, and mind! |
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Paris, France
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Ties (and uniforms more generally) are a good idea in schools. They cost a couple of hundred pounds per child per year, which is vastly less than rich kids' parents would spend on designer sportswear if uniforms weren't enforced. The UK has a big enough class problem as it is without exacerbating it with Nikes in primary school and fourteen-year-olds with Evisu jeans.
Workplaces are different: by that stage I'd hope your parents aren't funding your clothes habit. If you want to dress like a slob you should be allowed to, unless you're acting as the public face of a company. That said, a walk through any UK financial district will show you that even suits and ties can be seriously mangled by the British. The Windsor Knot itself is nothing more than dogma at this point. The point is to make your shirt and tie look good, which is more to do with fit and precisely how you tie it than the name of the knot. I was taught the Windsor Knot at age four and used it exclusively for more than decade. So what. Tradition has its place but ties are a good chance to celebrate individuality, as Curiousuburb noted. |
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I wear a tie when I want to. It's just as much an expression of individualism as wearing my favorite flaming lips t shirt.
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The whole point is that actually, whatever ill-considered problem you might have with it, your employers do, on so many, many levels, get to tell you exactly what's appropriate. Again, if you can't grasp that or choose not to accept it then you're going to find the range of companies you can work for happily enormously diminished. Quote:
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Join Date: May 2004
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I like ties, too. Full windsor is the only knot I know.
Ties are nice because it gives ladies something to reign you in with, in a sort of "come 'ere!" type of way. User formally known as Sh0eWax |
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I don't think the class difference argument holds water for school uniforms. a child of a working class family knows it by the time they are noticing class differences. To try to assuage YOUR feelings about class playing a role in school by forcing children to wear uniforms is a tiny bit head-in-the-sand.
Rather instead of trying to ignore the problem with rigid social appearance, schools should use the differences for a wholehearted discussion on opportunities in the society at large. The most common mistake a minority-majority (in class, race, religion) society makes is to try to belittle the major differences in life paths that small changes in wealth, skin color, or the church you attend make during your life. Even if one believes that we can put off the inevitable realization that social class differences exist by forcing children to wear identical garments, those garments themselves become a sign of wealth. There is a distinct difference in the quality and ability to maintain uniforms over the course of a school year. As for work place wears... I hate shopping for clothing. I work in a lab. I will wear thread bear/bleach stained clothing to lab without a second thought. The broad assumption is that I am from a working class family. I am not. The next thought is that I don't have the resources to purchase clothing. This is also false -- on paper, I am probably one of the wealthier graduate students due to a moderate inheritance I have been investing over the years. I just really hate shopping for clothing and it doesn't matter what I wear to work as long as I am covered. That said, if I am going to look nice, I will look nice. I don't blink at the cost of high quality suits or the maintenance of them. At the same time, I'd prefer people not be able to guess my social standing by just looking at me, it comes as a defense mechanism from attending an urban university when the undergrads are preppy morons and the neighborhood is a slowly re-gentrifying ghetto. I like the fact that homeless people have looked at me and not bothered. |
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No offense meant, but I am slightly amused that the German is the one arguing for individualistic expression (I agree with you for the most part, chucker). If anyone has ever used a German designed piece of equipment, you will understand. There is only ever one way to use it, even if you realize that the machine is capable of some more advanced setup, the engineers have put blocks (software or physical) in the way of making use of the function.
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I'm Joseph Fritzl, and no windows was my idea. |
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